H.264 Blu Ray will play in most players, H.264 will not. Is this true?

I was told that the H.264 is a universal format, but to make it play to Blu-Ray standards for players you must use H.264 Blu-ray. If not, it may not play in all Blu- Ray type players . The same goes for MPEG-2 Vs. MPEG-2 DVD.
Is this true?
Thanks in advance
Premiere Pro CS 5.5
Encore 5.5
Media Encoder 5
Power Mac Intel Xeon
10GB RAM

to phrase the answer another way...
h.264 for Bluray is a subset of the full h.264 standard.
Why? Because it has constrictions on it so that the bluray player's silicon-chip h.264 decoder doesn't have to be overly complicated (thus cheaper)..
So, while a non bluray h.264 stream MAY play on a bluray player, it isn't EXPECTED too.
As an example - if you compare the h.264 to the h.264 bluray columns you'll see that h.264 has "Levels" 3.0...5.2 but BR only has a subset of those. Likewise for the "Profile" and Screen Resolutions @ specific FrameRates.
Note that both are h.264/AVC encodings, it's just that the BD version is allows far less combinations of settings.
http://www.x264pro.com/?page_id=10
Tech Specs
Output
x264 PROBD
x264PRO
Video
H.264 AVC Elementary Stream (.264)
H.264 AVC Elementary Stream (.264)
Audio
Linear PCM (.wav)
Linear PCM (.wav)
Advanced Audio Codec (.aac)
Multiplexer
MPEG-4 Video (.m4v)
MPEG-4 Video and Audio (.mp4) (AAC only)
Quicktime (.mov)
Supported standard
Blu-ray
H.264
Encoding Method
CBR/VBR 1 pass encoding/VBR 2 pass encoding/Constant Quality
Video codec
H.264 AVC
H.264 AVC
AVC Profile
Main, High
Baseline, Main, High
Supported level
High 4.0, 4.1
Main 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 4.0, 4.1
3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 4.0, 4.1, 5.0, 5.1, 5.2
Resolution Frame Rate
1920x1080x29.97i, 25i (16:9)
1920x1080x24p, 23.976p (16:9)
1440x1080x59.94i, 50i (16:9)
1440x1080x24p, 23.976p (16:9)
1280x720x59.94p, 50p (16:9)
1280x720x24p, 23.976p (16:9)
720x480x59.94i (4:3/16:9)
720x576x50i (4:3/16:9)
Variable (16×16 – 4096×2304)
Frame rate : 12, 12.5, 15, 23.976, 24, 25, 29.97, 30, 48, 50, 59.94, 60, 120
Bit rate
1Kbps – 40Mbps
1Kbps – 300Mbps
Audio codec
Linear PCM
Linear PCM
Advanced Audio Codec
Audio channels
Mono, Stereo, 5.1
Mono, Stereo, 5.1
Audio bit depth
8, 16, 24, 32bit (LPCM)
8, 16, 24, 32bit (LPCM)
Audio bit rate
n/a
56 – 320kbps (AAC)
Sampling rate
8, 16, 32, 44.1, 48, 96KHz
8, 16, 32, 44.1, 48, 96KHz

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Hi,
I have cs3 but dont have a machine powerful enough to edit HD of any kind that is more than about maybe 20 min ...I have a PC.
It slows up a LOT if I have HD on my timeline and I add effects etc. That is why I haven't responded to your thread.
I have (approx ) a dual core 3ghz cpu and 4 gig ram, 2 hard drives with OS and programs on boot drive and projects on 2nd drive. I have no problems with SD video at all but HD is just NOT something I can do.
I suspect there may be some others using CS3 that also shun large HD projects simply due to the machines they have.
With the new 64bit OS and CS5, allowing PC users to actually "see" more than 4gig of ram, most HD users are now using new 64 bit OS and CS5....with a lot of ram and multiple cpu's and raid drive setups.
Although this doesnt help you out a lot re: your problem, at least it might explain a little bit why so few have responded yet...it's simply because I don't think that many cs3 ( 32 bit program ) users have done what you are trying to do.
Perhaps you could try exporting to encore for blue ray a very small segment of ONE timeline, and see if your hardware works OK with THAT... ?? Sorry I can't help more

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after export and authoring, we are having strange glowing flickers, and bad slo-motion effect playback
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the edit's are far from saturated with these effects, but a simple frame-hold with motion-rotation and motion-scale occurring with keyframes. the problem also happens with something as simple as a 30% speed/duration added onto a clip..
the footage is captured and on a timeline at - 1440x1080 (1.3333) HD Anamorphic, 25fps (50i)
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i get the feeling the problem may be occurring as the footage is remaining as interlaced footage through-out and not being blended or discarded to progressive.
i have tried making the footage progressive on export thinking it might solve the problem, but it turns out there is no such thing as progressive HD PAL in media encoder and encore
i love adobe's workflow but we have never been fond of main-concept from the start with things like this, even Mpeg2-DVD exports come out softer than you'd expect
any thoughts, light or general directions on what to do to help figure out the problem would be great..

after around 30 small sample exports, builds and different renders... I have discovered the problem and am now on track to fixing it..
it turns out certain adobe effects such as 'lighting effects' do NOT work well with slo-mo or frame held clips.. upon taking this one effect off, the clip looks flatter and less dynamic in context of my edit, but the clip plays normally no matter what the export settings, codec or format..
what's hallarious is that these effects and edits export and author perfectly fine onto DVD through Mpeg2.. i guess they just flatten better etc.. i get the impression when Adobe started crafting their software for HD they just built on top of the normal effects etc they already had and expected them to work.. if only Premiere could get the updates, priority and attention Photoshop does..
again, i love premiere's work flow, i just can't see how they can put the word 'Pro / Professional' near this software...
many thanks all
Steve

AME Shuts Down when exporting H.264 Blu Ray

I have a current project that was shot in HDV and I am trying to export an H.264 Blu Ray file. This is a 4 Disk set and the other 3 files exported with no problems but for some reason I cannot get this last one (which happens to be Disk #3). I will start AME running as I am getting ready to leave my office. When I come back in the morning there is nothing open on my desktop, just the normal screen. Anyoen have any ideas??? Below are my export setting and computer info
Format: H.264 Blu Ray
Preset: Custom
Pixel Aspect Ratio: Widescreen 16:9
Profile: High
Level: 4.1
Bitrate Encoding: VBR 2 pass
Target Bitrate: 20 Mbps
Maximum Bitrate: 25 Mbps
Audio: PCM
Multiplexing: None
Computer
Windows XP Pro 64
Intel Core 2 Quad 2.5GHz
4 GB RAM
300 GB System Drive
1.5 TB Video Dive with 700 GB of free space.
Thanks
Phil

This is from the regular LOG.
5/9/2009 12:37:29 PM : Queue Started
- Source File: C:\DOCUME~1\ADMINI~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\Kapadia Wedding_24.prproj
- Output File: V:\DVD's\Kapadia\From Premiere\Disk_3_HD.m4v
- Preset Used: Custom
- Video: NTSC, 1440x1080, 29.97 [fps], Upper
- Audio: PCM Audio, 48 kHz, Stereo
- Bitrate: VBR, 2 Pass, Target 20.00, Max 25.00 [Mbps]
That is it... It does not show that there was a problem or that it was completed.
I then went into the Errors Log and there was nothing about this particular project.
Do you think that maybe the PC is shutting down and restarting? Not sure how I would know that...
Dont get me started on the Pr not supported by XP 64 thing. Quite frustrating to me....
Phil

Adobe Media Encoder - Encore - H.264 Blu-ray

I just exported a Premiere Pro timeline using the Media Encoder with H.264 Blu-ray format and the 1080i 29.97 HQ preset. Presumably, you would choose this so that you do not have to transcode when you get to Encore. However, when I put my 16GB M4V file in a timeline, it wants to transcode saying it is "Untranscoded". Why? It also says the Blu-ray disc is only 11GB.
Please tell me there is something I can do to prevent from having to re-encode or transcode this file when it is already in a Blu-ray format.

hello,
"This bug is with only H264 VBR 2 Pass presets and if you change to VBR 1 Pass keeping evverything same, the bug should not be there."
honestly speaking, most everyone agrees that 2 pass is better quality than 1 pass
and if this issue has been happening since cs4 and we just received our first update
to cs5.5.1 for ppro, why does adobe still require us to 'lower' quality settings...
it's almost like adobe doesn't want us exporting a full quality BD...
doesn't adobe have the resources to fix this issue already?
unless there is an acceptable answer, then shouldn't this be unacceptable...?
this is almost like saying, "yeah the full hd presets don't work, but if you use the standard def presets, you should be okay..."
especially if other authoring programs can do 2pass BD discs...
is there an acceptable answer as to why this issue hasn't been fixed?
is there any plans to update encore?
thanks,
jeffrey

VBR or CBR for H.264 Blu-Ray?

When encoding a 2 and a half hour H.264 Blu-Ray project from Media Encoder, is it better to use VBR 1 Pass, VBR 2 Pass, or CBR? I want it to be a total of 15 Gigs when it's done encding in Media Encoder.
When working in DVD Studio Pro, I always use CBR without a problem. Those were not Blu-Ray discs though.
My Target Bit Rate is at around 12
My Max Bit Rate is 25 or 20.
Media Encoder 5
Premiere Pro cs 5.5

Jim Simon wrote:
Neither. CQ mode is best.
http://tangentsoft.net/video/mpeg/enc-modes.html
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/XviD4PSP
For more information on a description of Constant Qiuality (CQ) vs Constant or Variable Bitrate (CBR, VBR) have a look here on page 5..
http://www.x264pro.com/wp-content/uploads/x264_PRO_Help.pdf
The Adobe bundled h.264 doesn't have CQ though so it's best to go with VBR vs CBR because it will steal bits from less complex frames before and after when it's needed. It will also allow short term bursts of information (up to the Maximum threshold) so that when bits are needed it can use them. - eg a scene change.
Also, do 2-pass. The first pass it will learn about when it's going to easy and hard to make frames. With that information on the second pass it can steal from the future since it knows that the future frames might not need many bits.
Also, if you have a very simple frame it will reduce the bitrate and save you on the total size. If you use Constant Bitrate you don't have any of these efficiencies.
Constant Quality doesn't look at the problem from a bit perspective. It makes a variable bitrate based on the quality of each frame you want to hit.
'hope that helps.

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