Hardware config.vi

Hi,
What VI in DAQmx could be substitutable with "Hardware config.VI" in traditional DAQ? I can't find it in DAQmx.
I have a snapshot for my VI below and attachment.
Thanks in advance.
Attachments:
STIM9.28P_1.vi ‏286 KB

You can get a description of what it does by turning on context help. It looks like it performs about the same function as the DAQmx Create Channel when it's inside a for loop and passed an array of channels.

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> exporting images is recorded inside the catalog. Updates on your catalog take place on every image you export. Therefor put the catalog on your fastest drive!
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I ran Orthos small FFT test, priority 9 with the above settings for 12 hours -- no errors.
I ran memtest86+ test #5, 24 passes -- no errors
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At 1.95v, the large FFT test errors out after about 3 hours. The blended FFT test errors our after about 6 hours.
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Should I just trust the first two tests and ignore these results? I guess I'm not sure what to do at this point. I accomplished my goal of reducing temps (almost 8C degrees) but I want to make sure the thing is stable.
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Here are a few you might try with the 4-4-4-10 timings.
FSB   Multi   GHZ   Divider DRAM Freq.
220   13   2860   8   715
230   14   3220   9   716
240   15   3600   10   720
240   12   2880   8   720
250   13   3250   9   722
220   15   3300   9   733
210   14   2940   8   735
240   14   3360   9   747
230   13   2990   8   748
250   15   3750   10   750
250   12   3000   8   750
200   15   3000   8   750
230   15   3450   9   767
220   14   3080   8   770
250   14   3500   9   778
240   13   3120   8   780
210   15   3150   8   788
240   15   3600   9   800
200   14   2800   7   800
230   14   3220   8   805
250   13   3250   8   813
220   13   2860   7   817
240   12   2880   7   823
220   15   3300   8   825
250   15   3750   9   833
240   14   3360   8   840
210   14   2940   7   840
230   13   2990   7   854
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Discs I have or am thinking of buying:
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2. I have 1 500gb WD Caviar blue SATA 16 mb cache hdd (WD500AAKS)
3. For the raid I'm thinking of buying 2x 1tb Samsung SpinPoint F3 7200rpm 32mb cache drives for £45.74 each
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1st disc for OS and programmes
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I know the Seagate and Hitachi are huge drives for the principal purpose of storing the OS and programmes but they both have 16mb cache and are only a few pounds more than the 160gb Samsung drive with only 8mb cache
Or
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What should be my biggest concern here – compatibility between the discs or a higher cache on the disc - or considering they are all the same speed (7200rpm) does the cache not matter that much?
2nd disc for page file, media cache
I was thinking of dedicating the 500gb WD I have for these purposes. I've read in this forum that the WD drives are not that reliable when it comes to raid arrays – apart from that they seem to have a good reputation.
3-4th discs for raid 0
My mind is pretty much made up on the Samsung SpinPoint F3's
Partitions
Because there are a huge number of gb's in this set up I'm thinking of partioning the 1st and second discs so that in addition to using them for 'the operating system and programme files' and 'page file and media cache' their second partitions can be used to backup the data stored in the raid array.
Is it good practice to partition dedicated discs in this way?
THE GPU
Due to it's reletive cheapness, wide spread use and endorsement amongst gamers and workstation users alike, first of all I was swayed towards the 480GTX and using quadro driver hacks. But I couldn't get the number of ''risk factor' forum threads concerning making a GTX think its a quadro – particularly when it comes to using 3d max - out of my head. Even without the hacks there are a high percentage of grissly stories out there concerning the 480s and 3d max compared to workstation cards and 3d max. So I've decided that because I have the budget to get a workstation card (an ATI V7800) for 'just' £134 more than a GTX480 (£424 compared to £293) then for the peace of mind of more stable drivers, when getting to grips with a complex new programme, I might as well go for it and pay that bit extra.
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I'm off to the gym for an hour or so - I'll be back in a couple of hours

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Get high MTBF RAID edition drives (e.g., Western Digital RE-series drives).
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=30
In my main workstation I currently have two 1 TB WD RE3 drives that have been spinning in a RAID 0 configuration 24/7 with ZERO problems for a year now.
I figure one wants to minimize the chance of losing one's data down the road. How much would it cost you in time, effort, and lost work to recover your data from a backup if you should lose your hard drive?
Top-end drives can fail, sure, but the MTBF numbers say that the chances are much smaller than with "cheap" drives. And the RAID edition drives have additional features, such as vibration reduction, that differentiates them from lesser drives.
Ask yourself, why would one drive be cheaper than another? Poorer quality materials? Not as much quality control?
Another bit of info: Search this forum for "quadro". It seems that these expensive video cards may be seeing more trouble with Photoshop than you might expect. Some of the less expensive cards, that may have had more OpenGL testing (e.g., to support gaming) might be better choices for use with Photoshop. Personally I prefer ATI.
-Noel

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