Have you used XML?

I am curious does anyone, that has actually used any XML technology, consider the following question meaningful?
Have you used XML?
And what about the following questions.....
If you are fluent in DOM do you consider youself fluent in XSLT and Web Services?
If you are working with Web Services do you consider yourself fluent in Ant build files?
If you hear that question do you just assume that it it is questioning the exact APIs that you are familar with or does it refer to all possible APIs?
Given a "normal" XML file and nothing else, is it going to provide substantial information about anything?
XML files themselves are so incredibilely hard to figure out that one must be an expert in the XML syntax itself to make any headway at all with the APIs that use them?

Yes, I have used XML. But that's a lot like saying I have used ASCII.
-- I don't do DOM. And I don't do schemas or DTDs.
-- I have done some XSLT; I have written a 600-line XSLT that transforms a certain XML format into an HTML representation of one of our invoices. (They are complicated beasts.)
-- I know nothing about Web services.
-- I have written some basic Ant build files but I am definitely not fluent in that format.
I learned pretty much everything I know about XML by lurking on the Mulberry XSLT mailing list for several months. And you'll notice there is a lot that I don't know about XML. But as your question implies, XML is not "a" technology. It's just a basis for a whole raft of technologies, many of which are over-architected monstrosities.

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Thanks,
Laszlo

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Flex: mixes XML markup with STL-like tags and tags for controls (they claim dozens, including tree
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This is version 1.0. Flash may be stable but how buggy is Flex?
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Field Symbols and field groups
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_46c/helpdata/EN/9f/db9ede35c111d1829f0000e829fbfe/frameset.htm
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_46c/helpdata/EN/fc/eb387a358411d1829f0000e829fbfe/frameset.htm
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Use
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I was one of those users who fight for this
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life examples:
1. Once you
create an order/contract and do not choose "New
Method" you cannot change approval method to new any
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2.
Document Owner has admin rights.
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Owner in order start review.
Document owner
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 3. Alerts missing. I couldn't find an alert that
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methodology, and your software gives them chance to
choose whomever they want, wherever they want, use any
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hearing that Primavera sold thousand of licenses, and
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hurry, before users switch to other software.

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ID: integer, primary key, autoincrement
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ImageDescription: text(2000)
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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
<images>
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 <path><![CDATA[ /family/us.jpg ]]></path>
 <description><![CDATA[ here goes the description ]]></description>
 <date><![CDATA[ 2006-11-20 10:20:00 ]]></date>
 </image>
 <image>
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 <album><![CDATA[ Work ]]></album>
 <path><![CDATA[ /work/coleagues.jpg ]]></path>
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 <date><![CDATA[ 2006-11-21 12:34:00 ]]></date>
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OK, I understand - thanks for that.
I thought the whole process was supposed to be a bit more seemless? Having to upload/download documents and manually keep them in sync will leave a lot of room for errors.
It's kinda painful the way iOS doesn't have folders. It makes things incompatible with the Mac and means you can't group files from multiple apps into a single project - who organises their digital life by the apps they use?
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