Help with Groups and Effects

I'm still fairly new to Illustrator so even when I tried to Google for my solution I didn't know how to word it properly so I though you guys would be able to help me.
So, basicaly I'n trying to keep my "Flag" effect applied to the ribbon/banner but i want only the top of it to be above the circle. However, if try to take the top selected layers out of the group to place on top of the circle, the "Flag" effect
resets or if I try putting the cicle in the group it gets the effect applied on to it, which I don't want. Only way I can think of doing it is with a clipping mask but it doesnt look so great :/

Both Groups and Layers are nothing but sets of objects which are contiguous (next to each other) in the object stacking order. Just think of them as "brackets" around a portion of a list for organizational and selection convenience.
All objects reside on a Layer. Layers contain Groups and objects, because a Group is a kind of object in the same sense that a set of objects in set theory is itself treated as an object. Layers are not contained in Groups. In Illustrator, all objects are listed in the Layers palette; that does not make them Layers. Layers can exist and be completely empty. Groups can't.
Objects all exist in a stack. A path is an object. You cannot have one portion of object A in front of object B and another portion of object A behind object B. All such appearances of objects intertwining that way are "faked" by using multiple objects which merely appear to be one object.
It's not clear from your description what exactly you are trying to accomplish. But basically, you will most easily accomplish it by cutting either the ribbon or the ellipse at places where they don't overlap. Others often trot out recommendations involving clipping masks. In the vast majority of cases, tedious masking is not necessary, and simply cutting a path into two or more objects and restacking them is both easier and simpler in terms of the resulting constructs.
JET

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