How is "No Color Management" invoked in Aperture 3 compared to Aperture 2.

I have 2 printers, a Canon IP8500 and a Hiti S420 dye-sub . Both printers were used succesfully with Aperture 2 and Leopard. Upgrading to Snow Leopard seemed to destroy previous colour management by Aperture and this was not cured, either by OSX version 10.6 or the introduction of Aperture 3. The arrival of !0.6 prompted Apple to include (in its OSX updates) Drivers for major Printer manufacturers, such as Canon and Epson, but not for Hiti and lesser known printers. Notwithstanding current practice of Drivers for the Canon being upgraded with upgrades to Apple OSX, print colour has not recovered its former high standard and prints display a dark reddish cast, which is correctable only by wasteful trial and error gamma adjustments. The Hiti displays the same problems and I have to conclude that two management profiles, Apple's and the printer's, are being applied to the output print.
In Photoshop, print setting includes the ability to invoke "No color Management" and one can of course shell out from Aperture to an outside editor such as Photoshop, but what a pain! And, anyway, the colour is still somewhat out of balance, suggesting that 10.6 was not the milestone it was cracked up to be.
Questions to the Aperture Team at Apple's support have elicited extracts from the Manual as follows:
Turning Off Color Management in Your Printer
For best results, you should turn off color management in your printer - How is not explained - when printing an image using Aperture. By default, most printers are set to convert the image to the printer’s color space. However, Aperture is designed to perform this conversion internally. Each printer manufacturer creates its own Print dialog. This means the setting for turning off color management in your printer varies depending upon the manufacturer of your printer and the printer model.
Note: If you have multiple printers connected to your computer, you should create a print preset and turn off color management for each printer.
To turn off color management for your printer
Refer to the owner’s manual that came with your printer.
Due to "Each printer manufacturer creates its own Print dialog." I have no insight what dialog you should use to prevent your Printer to double up an additional Profile.
This does not actually advance my case. 1) Apple provide the Driver for Canon 2) There is no instruction how to create a Print Preset, nor what it should contain 3) There is no explanation of how to invoke controls, as in Aperture 2.

Creating and Modifying Print Presets
The above link is to a section of the User Manual.
(Added)
There are also Print Presets for your printer (printing from Aperture goes through two dialogs -- one of Aperture's, and one from your printer). Usually, you can change settings and then select something like "Save as new Preset" from the drop-down Preset selector.
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