How to calculate storage space for archive log files and database backups?

Hi all,
I have a 1.8 terabyte Oracle 9i database and need to plan for how much additional disk space I will need to perform nightly backups and for archivelog files. Is there a script or formula available that can help me estimate how much required disk space I will need to hold a days worth of archived logs as well as a nightly export dump file and a full hot RMAN backup on disk?
Thanks!

I'm not sure how to estimate the size of your backups, especially if you use incrementals. However, the space required for archive logs will be equal to the amount of REDO your DB generates. I would count the number of log switches per day with a query like the following:
select trunc(first_time), count(*)
from v$log_history
group by trunc(first_time)
I would then take the average and multiply this count by the size of your redo log files (assuming they are all the same size).

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