How to find out how many CPUs are required from SAPs

Hi,
I am trying to do sizing for SRM product.
Now questions is
1> How to determine no.of CPUs , kind of CPUs freq. etc from SAPS.
Is there any formula for it?
Even we ask this to hardware vendor, will verndor be aware of SAPS. How can vendor relate CPU details to SAPS?
Best Regards,
Tushar

Hello Tusher,
> How to determine no.of CPUs , kind of CPUs freq. etc from SAPS.
The SAPs is determined by running the SAP SD benchmark. At the end of this benchmark you will get a value of SAPs and could determine the SAPs for each core. So you need to specify how many SAPs you will need and the hardware vendor can configure you a server environment, that is possible to handle your requests.
> Even we ask this to hardware vendor, will verndor be aware of SAPS. How can vendor relate CPU details to SAPS?
For sure .. if it isn't .. go away and search for another.
Regards
Stefan

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that could mean.....
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4 stars   August 25, 2009 - 2pm Central time zone
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Reviewer: Jaklin Ekdawi
My Database server is T5120 with 4 core 1.2 GHz Ultra SPARC T2 processor (from O/S it is seen as 32
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Followup   August 25, 2009 - 8pm Central time zone:
I only care about a single cpu, your client program is not using more than one.
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4 stars   August 25, 2009 - 2pm Central time zone
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Reviewer: Jaklin Ekdawi
Sorry, I forgot to say that during the execution time the cpu on the server was 98-99% idle based
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I agree, because you could not use 31 out of 32 cpus, I would expect it to be almost idle.
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4 stars   August 25, 2009 - 10pm Central time zone
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Reviewer: Jaklin Ekdawi
The tkprof from the developer's PC is below
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- On the developer¿s PC, the CPU is 0.48, however, "SQL*Net message from client" is 312.91.
Based on that, how I can approve it is CPU issue?
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how about this.
have the developers write something that mimics what they do without the database in it. Same sorts of loops and processing they do in the code in the client.
run it on their machine
run it on yours
You'll find your big bad server has cpu's that are extremely slow compared to the desktop machine.
Hence - the time spent waiting for sqlnet message from client is - time spent in YOUR client on YOUR server processing the data returned from the database.
saying "the cpu 0.17 on one and 0.48 on the other" is meaningless, they are completely different cpus with completely different performance characteristics.
And that you have 32 of them - no use to you, you use one..
It looks like your server is about 2-3 times slower then their test machine.
5 stars SQL*Net Message from client may not be an issue from the app   May 28, 2010 - 8am Central time zone
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Reviewer: Thierry B from Paris, France
Hi,
I just read your post as I experienced the exact same problem. I found something that fixed this
problem for me, my sqlnet.ora contained that line after an oracle upgrade:
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I don't know how it came there. But it was the cause of my problem (too long idle time). I simply
removed it and no more wait events.
I hope it can be of any help for anyone.
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that is a client side issue though, isn't it. It is an application side issue, not a database side issue.
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when i had a chat on cell phone with my colleagues regarding the oracle access to the cpu's on the server, then they told me that if there are more number of cpu's then the the response time would be fast cause workload is divided among the multiple processor to carry out the task in parallel.
Again i got confused with the deferring opinion..
so just want to have clarification on
* how many processes do i have access to on server machine where my oracle is installed?*
how many processes do the client applicaiton S/W/client machine have access to out of 32 processors?
is workload devided among the cpus on the server ,in case of huge request from the client application?
thanks & i hope my doubt would be cleared

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I have overridden method executeQueryForCollection of ViewObject in which I execute supper.executeQueryForCollection and after that want to find out how many rows are fetched during the execution.
If I try to use getFetchedRowCount I always get "0", if using getEstimatedRowCount, query are being re-executed.
What method is better to use for that?
Thank you,
Veniamin Goldin
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