IDOC bundling number of idocs in one message

Hi
I am using IDOC bundling where I have one message with around 33,000 idocs inbound to PI. Can i break the number of idocs per message so that I can have 5,000 idocs in each message. Is there a paremeter that needs to be changed create a recordset of 5,000 idocs per message or less?
Also Can I do IDOC packaging when sending the above 33,000 IDOCs to SAP ?
Please advise.
Thanks,
Teresa

Hi Raj,
My connectivity is JDBC - PI - SAP.
I execute a stored procedure to pick up line items and do graphical mapping to conver to IDOCS. According to you the best way is to pick less line items at a time and conver to IDOCs?
Can i do IDOC packaging at sender side in my scneario though i am already doing IDOC bundling?
Thanks,
Teresa

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Hi XI Friends..
In my File to Idoc scenario..i want to send multiple IDOCs from the XI without a BPM .
I am following blog by Michal.
<a href="///people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/12/04/xi-idoc-bundling--the-trick-with-the-occurance-change:///people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/12/04/xi-idoc-bundling--the-trick-with-the-occurance-change
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As in michal 's blog..
In Interface mapping..i given source and target interface as standard idoc.and clicked on Read interface then i am not finding the message mapping created in previous step..
i refreshed cache also..
please guide me.....
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thank you so much for very your quick responses..
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reciever service :R/3
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inbound interface : Standard IDOc
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i tried Enhance interface determination also..
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waiting for your help.
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Hi,
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