Illustrator won't save, not enough RAM/memory

I am trying to save an illustrator file (39in by 27in), usually it won't save, but when it does a dialog box says I don't have enough memory. I've saved files of this size before without any issues. Please help!

We can't know. We know nothing about your system, your file, your version of AI. Most likely this simply relates to an appearance effect trying to render for the updated embedded preview in the file, so turning off PDF compatibility may resolve the issue. Otherwise check for anything that may cause rasterization.
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    Bildcache-nivåer: 4
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    02/29/2012 18:54:50
    Type : System.Exception, mscorlib, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b11a5c481859e569
    Message : -2146827284Microsoft Excel cannot open or save any more documents because there is not enough available memory or disk space.
    • To make more memory available, close workbooks or programs you no longer need.
    • To free disk space, delete files you no longer need from the disk you are saving to.
    The disk space is 30 GB free, I have cleared all the temp files, increased the virtual memory & internet temp files size to max but no luck

    You want to use this one here - MMC
    comexp.msc /32
    THAT will launch the MMC process
    as 32 bit then you'll the Microsoft Excel Application.
    Right Click -> Properties.
    What I did at this point was to select the Identity tab and then select "The Interactive User" (the default was "The launching user").  My app pool was already running as "LocalSystem".  I believe by running it as the Interactive User now that it
    has the right permissions to save workbooks.
    Everything worked after this.
    This was a tough one!
    R. Matt Sampson

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    Hey guys, I think  my Photoshop CC 64 bit has something wrong with it. Maybe it was one of the updates I've done. I have windows 8, intel i5 4th gen, 16 gb ram and a junk graphic card at work. I just turned on my computer for the day and opened my file which is big, I've been working with files this size for years, 1.5gb and smaller. This file says it's 1.14gb in photoshop. I opened this file did a few things and now it won't save becase "not enough (RAM).
    In my task manager it tells me my photoshop is using 563.2mb of memory. In photoshop I have 10,917mb allocated for it to use. I have 535BG of free space on my hard drive and I have an external USB SSD drive plugged in that I'm using as another scratch disk. This has been happening a lot over the last month. I haven't installed anything new and this morning the only things I have open are outlook, Photoshop, Lync (internal messenger for work) and word with one doc open. Photoshop has the one file open. I have the new 4th gen processor with GPU on it, not sure if I'm set up right for that or if that would even be related to this problem...any suggestions?

    OK.  So you are stuck because you need to save your file, and can't close Photoshop or restart the computer until you have done so?
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    How much Scratch space is allocated?  You are going to need a huge amount of Scratch with a file that size.
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    Illustrator CS5 throws this error:
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    Currently, I can work around this by making a screenshot of "Original" tab in Save for Web dialogue when it's there - because sometimes it's just a pink-filled window.
    So, Adobe, any suggestions, please?

    Asmodeus,
    Illustrator CS5 has some improvements to how Raster Effects are rendered on screen. So even if you use 72ppi DRES, you would see very little/no difference compared to 300ppi DRES - i.e., pixelization issues would be almost non-existent.
    Could you try this out & come back with your findings?
    Also if you just want to send something to other people for Previews, maybe a PDF with the 'Smallest File Size' Preset be good enough. These can be viewed with the (free) Adobe Reader.

  • Not enough RAM - CS2

    Hi!
    To begin I will say that we have been using Photoshop CS 2 in our company for about two years without a problem. The problems started last friday. I have not changed any settings, installed any plugins etc. before these problems started. Neither has the computer hardware changed.
    Photoshop starts nicely. You can use it without a problem for a while, until suddenly it says (depending on the action) "Not enough RAM". After that I can't save, but I can continue editing as if nothing had happened. Normally Photshop  takes roughly 1gt of RAM when idle, but the allocated memory just keeps on growing the further I go with my photoshopping. After a while the Photoshop memory count rises to about 2gt. I have 3gt of RAM and there's always about 2gt not in use when Photoshop is inactive.
    Sometimes when i launch Photoshop my whole computer crashes. No blue screens of death or anything, just a simple reset. This also occured while i was starting the uninstallation program.
    The best way to see this problem is with the Text tool. Creating a text layer takes much more longer than it used to. Copy-pasting is just something I can't do because it takes forever.
    I have read the FAQ, adjusted history and cache settings to small, scratch disks (1st startup, 2nd another partition), reseted my preferences and ultimately reinstalled Photoshop. My Photoshop is up-to-date. I have tried running Photoshop on Windows 98 compatibility setting. My computer temperatures are good. I have also defragmented and ran memtests.
    Thank you for your help, it's really hard to get jobs done right now. I will gladly answer your questions.
    Sampsa Kuronen,
    Varusteleka

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    I have been using CS2 for 4 years, and I keep getting the same message regarding not enough RAM over and over again during the years. It's not happenig all the time - it seems to pop up every two or three months. Usually I don't get the message, but sometimes, when I work on files with a lot of text - such as broshures or flyers, or menu pages - it's almost impossible to work.
    It takes forever to initialise the text engine, sometimes I get the message "something prevented the text engine from being initialised".
    I know I will get the message for not enough RAM when all the text disappears whie I am typing and when I click anything after that that annoying message pops up.
    I don't know waht to do - I save every 2-3 minutes, because I don't know when it will surprise me. It's really frustrating-  I broke two keyboard while "dealing" with the problem.
    My PC specs are:
    AMD Athlon 2800+
    1,8 GHz, 2 Gb RAM
    I tired allocating 70 % of my RAM to Photoshop, then I changed it to 50 %, then I read somewhere that it is good to be 30 % - did that, too.
    I have only one partition on my hard drive,one physical drive;  first scratch disk - startup, second - C:/
    Any ideas?

  • Photoshop CS3 "Not enough scratch memory available" error.

    Hi,
    I am Using Adobe Photoshop CS3 Version 10.0 and I keep getting the error "Not enough Scratch memory available to perform this action" whenever I try to Save a .psd file to a .jpg/.jpeg file.
    I did go to Edit -> Preferences -> Performance, and add my other two partitions as scratch disks, also put up my E: drive as the primary scratch disk on the top of the list (Which has 80GB's of space) but I still keep getting this error.
    My file (the .psd that i am trying to save to a .jpg) has a total size of 56MB and 300dpi with 4 or 5 layers in it and the target jpg file is supposed to be 12inches by 20inches.
    Some other things I have tried is celaring the %temp% folder, Defragmenting my Hard Drive(s), Disk Cleanup, set my System Page file to 4GB, but all this is of no use.
    I know that I have enough RAM and Hard disk space so please help me get rid of this problem.
    Also, this maybe a stupid question but, does the type of RAM and Processor you are using effect this? I have a DDR RAM.. 2GB, I know its outdated, its our office computer I am working on.. My Processor is a Core 2 Duo which isnt bad.
    HELP PLEASE!!!

    I think Varun is mistaking one's forums Join Date for a post time stamp.
    I'm moving this post from this forum for photoshop-dot-com (an online portal) to the correct forum for Photoshop pro users like yourselves.
    FYI, the correct forum URL is: http://forums.adobe.com/community/photoshop
    Since you've posted in this forum for Photoshop.com, you may receive additional posts in this forum unless you update your profile.  After signing in on these forums, go to Your Stuff > Forums, and disable any forum you don't want to watch.
    Kind regards,
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