Import issue - RAW + JPEG Pairs Both (Separate Originals)

I am trying to import my Olympus OM-D files into Aperture using the RAW + JPEG Both (Separate Originals) setting but it doesn't seem to work. I only get one file (the ORF). I want to use this option for when I use the camera's Monotone setting (it essentially creates a B&W JPEG from the RAW file). What is currently happening is that during import I will see the B&W thumbnail in the import dialog, it will be imported as a B&W thumbnail into the project but as soon as I select it the preview refreshes and becomes the coloured RAW file.
Thank you for reading my post.
Michel
P.S.: I am on 10.9 with Aperture 3.5.

Are you sure you are setting the camera to shoot both Raw and JPG?
If you are only getting the Raw imported it sounds like you are not producing a JPG file. The B&W preview you see is the preview imbedded in the raw file. This is not the same as the camera producing a separate JPG file.

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Import of RAW+JPEG pairs?

Just when I thought I had it all together...I seem to have forgotten where I put it. I need some expert assistance.
Aperture manages my Library which is kept on an external HD.
I shoot RAW+JPEG on my D200--two image files for every shot. To anticipate the question--I'm learning about the D200, and I want to be able to see the IQ differences between an Aperture-adjusted RAW image and a D200-adjusted jpeg.
I understood that when I imported my image files into Aperture, both files of the pair were imported and saved in my Library. I know I was working with the RAW file for all my adjustments and exports, but I believed that if I wanted that camera-adjusted jpeg, it was available from my Library. I'd also understood that I could call up that camera-adjusted jpeg using Option+J while selecting the paired RAW image in the Viewer. I know I can get a jpeg counterpart to the highlighted RAW image using Option+J--but whether it is generated by Aperture or camera is now uncertain.
Can someone who knows answer the following:
(1) Are both images in the shot pair (.nef and .jpg) imported into Aperture?
(2) If the Option+J image is not the downloaded, camera-produced image--then where does the resulting jpeg file which appears come from, and where are the adjustments for it set?
(3) If my original understanding is correct and both images in the pair were loaded into my Library--why can't I find the paired jpeg? It's not listed with the RAW files in my Finder, and my Spotlight doesn't find it either.
(4) Is there a way to get that paired jpeg into my Library along with its RAW counterpart.
One note on backup workflow: If those paired jpegs aren't imported into the Library, I'm fortunate to have followed advice from some of you here in the forum. Thanks to you, I always download my files using a reader and save them to a folder on my desktop. After importing them into Aperture from that folder, I move them to a folder I use to accumulate a batch for burning to a DVD for archiving. Only when burnt, do I erase them from the desktop and reformat my card. If, in fact, I've been wrong about those paired jpegs being in my Library, then I've still got them on my DVDs. Instead of being redundant with my Vaults, the DVDs will be my only source for them. Thanks to those of you who got me to buy into that workflow.
Terry

Thanks. A little Tough Love from the experts sent me back to try one more time to puzzle through the pages of posts on this subject. Sorry, but there's too much noise and contradiction in those pages of posts for me to buy in.
I did what each of us probably should do--an experiment. I noted the "New Version from Master JPEG" aka Option+J was grayed out if only one of the pair (either .nef or .jpg) was imported. Only having the pair imported activated thet Option+J pick. Excellent, and just what I hoped to see.
I also drilled down to the lowest level of the imported image folders in the Library. I'd previously stopped when I saw the image name but for some reason neglected to open the lowest folder to check for file extensions. Careless on my part. I confirmed what everyone here is regularly assured--that all the imported image files are available in the Library (and Vaults) should Aperture fail, or someone decide to leave Aperture for the dark side. Again, just what I hoped to see.

Need more information regarding RAW JPEG pairs

I understand the importing of RAW+JPEG pair options. What I am having difficulty finding in any forum or user manual is the workflow using such pairs after the import.
If I import a R+J pair with RAW as original, there is an "R" icon in the viewer on that photo. Is the image displayed (version 1) Aperture's rendering of the RAW file? Or is it the JPEG that goes along with it? If I wanted to compare the JPEG to the RAW, how would I do that? If I created a new version from the original and then compared version 1 and version 2, what would I be looking at?

My first question is why are you using a Raw&JPG pair workflow? In my experience it is very rarely needed and adds a lot of complexity to the setup.
Now to answer your questions:
The image displayed in the viewer is always a full resolution interpretation of the current master. If the raw file is the master then the image is based on it. If the JPG is master then the image in the viewer is based on it.
There is no direct way to compare one master to the other master. Only one master can be viewed at a time. However versions made off of one of the masters will always be made off that master.
So if the Raw is the current master and you create a version from it that version is based on the Raw master. Now if you select the JPG to be current master a version is made off of it and the other version you created is still based on the Raw master.
You can prove this to yourself by looking at the filename of each. When you select the version made from the Raw the filename extension will show the Raw extension for your camera. When you select the JPG the filename extension will end in jpg.
So now on to how to compare the images side by side:
For whichever type is the current master select it and do a Photos->New Version from Master. Remember a version made from a master, before any adjustments are made to the version, will be identical to the master.
Now switch masters. A version is created from this master and again as no adjustments were applied to it will look exactly like the master.
These two images are then the Raw and the JPG side-by-side.

"Error while relocating" after deleting RAW from RAW+JPEG pairs (Important FYI)

This is not a question, but something I recently discovered that I think will be important for the Aperture community.
Not too long ago, I asked a question about how to remove the RAW files from RAW+JPEG pairs. The concensus was that it couldn't be done through Aperture, but that one could delete them through the Finder. The answer I got (and that has popped up in other threads on similar topics) was "it's probably not wise, but as far as I know, it won't have an adverse effect." I don't think any response along these lines has been able to point to a specific problem that can arise from such a "hack." Well, I found one today...
It appears that if a user uses Finder to "break" RAW+JPEG pairs by deleting the RAW file and leaving the JPEG (and I assume this goes for deleting the reverse), Aperture will NOT be able to "Relocate Originals..." Instead, "Aperture will return the error: Error while relocating (File not Found): "(null)". I ran into this error the other day while trying to change my file structure by relocating all files. I regularly ran into this error, and it was only after some extensive that I was able to narrow it down 100% of the time to the RAW+JPEG pairs I had "broken." I haven't encounterd any other adverse behavior from "breaking" these file pairings, but this one, at least, could be serious.
So, for future reference, I think the response by the Aperture community when someone asks "How do I delete the RAW file from RAW+JPEG" pairs, should be "Use Finder if you must, but please note Aperture will not be able to 'Relocate Originals..
PS This should NOT be understood as a criticism of those who have responded to this question in the past. There's obviously no way to know about these little quirks until one of us stumbles across them. I hope this information will be helpful going forward, both as a caution when deleting one of the pair, and as a possible answer for the "Error while relocating" message.
PPS I don't think I ran across an explanation for this when I originally searched for the error message bolded above.
If someone has already provided this information, my apologies.

Frank Caggiano wrote:
Interesting the last post before this one you posted was back in May 2011 Removing RAW, keeping JPG?
Thanks for that thread. That helps jog ye olde memory. As such, I would edit my original thread to read "The concensus I gathered from researching multiple responses to questions similar to mine was that it couldn't be done through Aperture*, but that it was possible from Finder though highly inadvisable." I won't bother recreating my research at the time (not even sure I could, since it was more than two years ago), but suffice it to say that the thread you've linked was not my sole encounter with this problem. I do appreciate that you've reminded me that this was not something I had done solely through numerous posts on Apple Discussions. I imagine I likely spent time reading multiple posts here and elsewhere, uncovering the concensus (which i think is still a fair term) that it could not be done through Aperture*, could be through Finder, but was inadvisable.
*This is still accurate, afaik. You cannot delete the pair from a RAW+JPEG pair in Aperture. Exporting, then deleting in Finder, then reimporting is still not something "done in [entirely] Aperture."
Frank Caggiano wrote:
No one actually told you to delete anyting in in the Finder you came up with this yourself as your own solution
This comes from the critical mistake on my part of not making clear that I was paraphrasing multiple responses rather than saying "Bob told on a Monday that i should..." That is one huge mea culpa and I'd edit it if I could. To be clear, my comment that "it's probably not wise, but as far as I know, it won't have an adverse effect" is a paraphrase of multiple answers to the broad question dealing with how Aperture handles files that have been deleted in Finder. At the time, it was known that you could delete a file in Finder, that Aperture could be made to accept that, that it might cause issues further down the road, but that those issues were unkown. I paraphrased that but failed to make it clear that's what I was doing. Again, my apologies.
Frank Caggiano wrote:
So I'm not really sure what it is you are coming back here now to say? There was no 'consensus' to do this, it was your own 'solution'
In this respect, I think you've misunderstood me. At the time I made this post, I still was not seeing a direct connection between deleting files in Finder and adverse consequences in Aperture (or perhaps I should say my searches did not turn up such a connection). As such, I made this post to provide the community with clear evidence of why one should not delete one-of-a-pair files in Finder. Again, I may have simply missed the thread that detailed that to do so would result in a null error when relocating Masters. That said, in July 2013 I had been pulling my hair out trying to figure out why I was getting the null error and I did not see a thread that asked "have you deleted files in Finder" as a way to troubleshoot.
Hopefully, I've cleared up any confusion now. To bring this all back around to my original point for the thread, I intended it to (1) offer a more direct way to troubleshoot the null error on relocating Masters, and (2) to offer a cautionary tale for those who choose to delete one of the RAW+JPEG pair in Finder. There are better (though more time- and space-consuming) ways to get it done, and my original post should help demonstrate why.

Bug: RAW+JPEG Pairs import setting affects movie imports

Hi,
I want to exclude JPEG duplicates during import, but if I set RAW+JPEG Pairs to "RAW files only", then movie files are not imported. The only way I can get movie files imported is to import both RAW and JPEG. Is there a workaround for this bug?

Import the stills and movies separately and change the setting between imports.
If you feel this is a bug report it using Aperture->Provide Aperture Feedback

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Is it possible to separate "raw+jpeg" pairs on iPad 2?

deggie, thank you for your reply.
xstrandman - no need to be so rude. i wondered had i missed a statement from apple regarding this as has been the case in previous product updates. if you didn;t know the answer, then no need to reply...

How to have iPad (iOS 5) import only the JPEG from a RAW JPEG pair?

I have an iPad 2 16 GB, running iOS 5. I also have a Canon EOS 7D. I purchased a CF Card Reader for the iPad (see http://store.micgadget.com/card-readers/280-ipad-2-cf-card-camera-connection-kit .html) so that I can view and edit photos quickly in the field, without having to lug my laptop around. To make this easier, I set my camera to shoot RAW+JPEG. I shoot with the smallest JPEG files possible, still a relatively large for the iPad 2,592x1,728, with the idea that I'd only import the JPEG files to the iPad, but still have the RAW files to work with when I get back to my computer. This works great with one exception: the iPad doesn't allow me to import only the JPEG files, but grabs the RAW files along with them. As you can imagine, this fills up my iPad rather quickly, and takes quite a bit longer to import than if it only grabbed the JPEGs.
So here is my question: How do I have my iPad import only the JPEGs from the RAW+JPEG pairs on the memory card?
One workaround that helps slightly. If I connect my iPad to my computer after the import, I can go in via Image Capture, select all the RAW images and delete them, leaving the JPEGs behind. This is an underwhelming solution, but does save space after the fact.

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RAW JPEG PROBLEM I'm new to Aperture and neglected to mark RAW JPEG pairs when I imported (from iPhoto). Now I have two images for each photo. Help!! How can I change this?

I’m new to Aperture and neglected to mark RAW+JPEG pairs when I imported (from iPhoto). Now I have two images for each photo. Help!! How can I change this?

How did you import from iPhoto? If you saw the Import panel with raw -jpeg pairs, then you probably did not import your iPhoto library as library, but as files, and then you will see plenty of duplicates - previews, thumbnails, originls, edited versions. If that should be the case, it would be better to delete the import from iPhoto and to import your iPhoto library again, but this time using "File > Import > Library".
Only that would require compatible versions of iPhoto and Aperture. What are your Aperture and iPhoto version numbers?

Problems exporting RAW + JPEG Pairs

I have imported my images as RAW + JPEG Pairs (JPEG is Master)
When I try to export originals, there are two problems:
1. Aperture exports both the JPEG and the RAW file. Is there anyway to force it to export just the file that is set as the master (in this case, the JPEG)?
2. More problematic--the RAW files are exported in the correct orientation, but the JPEG files that have been shot in portrait orientation are rotated 90 degrees clockwise. Is there anyway to prevent this?
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There's an easier way:
Open the Aperture library contents (ctrl-click, select "show pkg contents"), and navigate to masters/year/month/day/downloads, and delete the raw file(s).
You can view by kind, and delete all the raw files in a project this way; just make sure you haven't assigned any of the raw files as master.
So far, I have not observed any adverse effects to the Aperture database, but they may be coming. I always archive all the files off-line before importing to Aperture, no nothing is completely irreversible.
It would still be nice, as another poster said somewhere, to render a raw file as a new jpg master, and then delete the raw, but I use raws so rarely, that deleting the ones I don't use gives me 90% of the disk savings.

Exporting RAW masters of RAW-JPEG Pairs

Is there any way to export only the RAW master of a RAW-JPEG pair? I always shoot both RAW and JPEG. In my workflow, I first import into Aperture the JPEG's. I then group into stacks, choose my stack picks, and finally rate all my stack picks. I then will go back and only import those RAW files which match my stack picks. Occasionally, I would like to edit my RAW files outside of Aperture using Capture NX2 and would like to export only those RAW files. Exporting a "version" only allows to export a JPEG/TIFF or other file. Exporting "masters" exports both master files, the JPEG and the RAW. Is there a way to only export the RAW master?
Thanks for your advice.

I'm frustating about how Aperture give RAW+jpg pairs and once imported is not easy to select one of the two files depending on the case. I read recently a good solution, you can import Both as masters(RAW and JPG) and select AutoStack(⌥⌘A)
with a short time span (0:02) and Aperture will import the two masters of each photo, and later you'll be free to use one of them. And you can reject manually all the RAWs that you don't want to store.

Batch delete the JPEG's from all my RAW/JPEG pairs?

What's the best way to batch delete the JPEG's from all my RAW+JPEG pairs?
I have a 88k image library many of which are RAW+JPEG pairs. I've got about 50GB's left on my 2TB internal hard drive and need to free up space. I'm combing through the years worth of data attempting to clean it all up but I thought dumping the JPEG's would be a quick and easy gain. Can anyone thing of a safe way to do this? Creating an album of all my pairs is easy enough but I can't find a "delete JPEG" option.
Thanks!
-Jared
www.rogersglobal.com

Again, another untested idea for you. You should try it with one image first and Please! make sure your library is backed up first.
Select the Photos group from the Library pane to show all photos in the browser.
Set your view to Browser only.
Clear any filters in the top right if they are set.
Click the Filter icon at the top right.
If it's not already there, add the rule for "File Type" using the popup menu.
Set the filter to show Filetype Is RAW+JPEG.
You are now looking at all of your RAW+JPEG pairs in your entire library.
Make sure all the images are set to RAW as Master.
Select all the photos (test just one first!) and File->Relocate Masters. Choose an external disk with enough room.
Once all the masters are moved out of the library to a new location (this could take awhile if you have many photos), Navigate to the new location of the masters and remove the JPEGs. Sort by filetype in the Finder to make it easier.
Back in Aperture, Select all the RAW+JPEG pairs in the filtered browser and choose File->Consolidate Masters. (Now that the JPEGs are gone, I don't know if Aperture will complain. That's why you should test this first on 1 image)
If this worked, you should now have only RAW masters in your library.
I repeat myself: I didn't test this. Please test on a fully backed up library on only 1 image first. Good luck.

Deleting all the JPEGs from my RAW+JPEG pairs

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(Come to think of that, I would also like to do that with some of the pictures I have imported to my iPad with the Camera Connection Kit.)
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help...

I guess you could use the brute force option and export them as masters, delete them from the library and then re-import only the RAW files. You would lose any adjustments and metadata work that way.
With less brute force, but even more work - a slightly modified procedure of Thomas's approach.
Make sure, you have all images set to use the raw version as original (From the main menu bar: Photos > Use Raw as Originals).
Export the Raw originals, with IPTC tags included.
Flag the old versions in the library.
Import the raw originals again and create an album with both the old and the new versions, sort it by capture date, so that you have the old versions and the newly imported side by side.
Use the Lift & Stamp tool to transfer all metadata tags and edits from the previous version to the new versions.
Delete the flagged old versions.
If only a few of your images have adjustments or tags, you could use a search for "Keywords are applied" or "Adjustments are applied" to selectively stamp only the images that need readjusting.
The quick and dirty approach - simply deleting the redundant jpegs from the Aperture library - will not work - I tried with a test library. Aperture will not forget that there is supposed to be a jpeg version and you will continuously see warning messages that thejpeg is missing.
Regards
Léonie

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I import RAW+JPEG. How can I ditch just the JPEG or just the RAW half of the pair? A3 seems to allow display of only one or the other by making it the Master, but how do I get rid of the non-Master?

There's an easier way:
Open the Aperture library contents (ctrl-click, select "show pkg contents"), and navigate to masters/year/month/day/downloads, and delete the raw file(s).
You can view by kind, and delete all the raw files in a project this way; just make sure you haven't assigned any of the raw files as master.
So far, I have not observed any adverse effects to the Aperture database, but they may be coming. I always archive all the files off-line before importing to Aperture, no nothing is completely irreversible.
It would still be nice, as another poster said somewhere, to render a raw file as a new jpg master, and then delete the raw, but I use raws so rarely, that deleting the ones I don't use gives me 90% of the disk savings.

Importing Raw Jpeg Pairs with Jpeg as Master

I give....I imported raw and jpeg as pairs since aperture updated for the D7000. I see the J on the badge. I assume they are stacked. I see where i can change the master to the raw file by right clicking. However, can't i just navigate to the raw file for adjustments or do I have to switch the master? I have looked at the manual. I have a book on aperture, I searched the board. I gotta be missing something really basic! Please help this stupid newbie. Is it better to import both as masters in the future? What do people prefer? tx
Message was edited by: Sheryl Kingstone

Hi Sheryl,
No, you aren't missing anything really basic. The RAW and JPG aren't really stacked. They are associated together in a different way that is only applicable for pulling JPG and RAW versions of the same photo out of your camera together.
If you can answer the following question, it might help the other users (and mybe you) help you.
Why is it a problem to have your RAW be the master?
With your hesitation to switch the master to the RAW, you imply to me that you would like Aperture to work with your JPG files, but at the same time it your question implies that you would like you want to work on your RAW file.
In my own preference, I struggled with what to start out with, RAW or JPG. I came to the conclusion that I didn't want to spend the time comparing RAW and JPG from my camera and deciding what to do. I no longer capture RAW+JPG in my camera.
Basically, post-processing the RAW file through Aperture gives you lots more information to work with, as the creation of a JPG in your camera throws out lots of colors and pixels. So, I had to balance things, why would I choose to take a "throwaway snapshot" with RAW if I knew it probably wouldn't be worth post-processing? For instance, all the pictures of my niece at the dinnertable in really bad light. I can't do anything worthwhile in post-processing with the sharp shadows, and the 5 different and ugly light sources, and the fact that she only looked at the camera once. Yeah, I can make it a little better, but not enough that it's worth post-processing to me. So, for those pictures, I just let my camera do the work and use the most basic, point-and-shoot settings most of the time. My camera produces JPG-only in the basic settings.
On the other hand, for those sunsets, gardens, forests, streams, vistas, etc, I probably would like to do a little post-processing if my exposure wasn't right to begin with. I decided that I would just let Aperture decode the RAW file for me and forget about the JPGs entirely. When I'm using my camera in manual mode (or one of the quasi-manual modes) I shoot in RAW only. Yes, my camera will do a better job rendering a JPG than Aperture will, but Aperture's very good and I figure I wouldn't be looking at the JPG from the camera if I'm doing other post-processing in Aperture.
That being said, there are many other opinions and othe reasons to choose one way or the other.
Hope that eas clear enough. I had lots of ideas to write about.
hope this helps,
nathan

D90 Import Issue - RAW file corrupted

Hi Everyone,
Since moving from my Nikon D60 to a Nikon D90, I've been experiencing issues importing RAW (NEF) files into Aperture. Most pictures will transfer fine, but some will be corrupted. The corruption occurs regardless of source (from card reader or directly from camera) and is not deterministic (will import photo correctly one time and not the second time around). I have verified that this corruption is at the master level and not preview, since I can see the corruption displaying the image in a different application. I have not run into this problem using applications such as Picasa. Below are links to two example photos of the corruption. Has anyone experienced this too? (I am running Aperture with all updates installed)
http://home.comcast.net/~brycerocket/apertureissue.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~brycerocket/apertureissue2.jpg

Are you perhaps importing directly into Aperture? I feel pretty strongly that card-to-Aperture or camera-to-Aperture handling of original images puts originals at unnecessary risk. I suggest this workflow from an earlier post of mine, first using the Finder (not Aperture) to copy images from CF card to computer hard drive:
• Remove the memory card from the camera and insert it into a memory card reader. Faster readers and faster cards are preferable.
• Finder-copy images from memory card to a labeled folder on the intended permanent Masters location hard drive.
• Eject memory card.
• Burn backup hard drive or DVD copies of the original images (optional strongly recommended backup step).
• Eject backup hard drive(s) or DVDs.
• From within Aperture, import images from the hard drive folder into Aperture selecting "Store files in their current location." This is called "referenced images." During import is the best time to also add keywords, but that is another discussion.
• Review pix for completeness (e.g. a 500-pic shoot has 500 valid images showing in Aperture).
• Reformat memory card in camera, and archive originals off site on hard drives and/or on DVDs.
Note that the "eject" steps above are important in order to avoid mistakenly working on removable media/backups.
Also note with a Referenced-Masters Library that use of the "Vault" backup routine backs up the Library only, not the Masters. Masters should be separately backed up, IMO a good thing from a workflow and data security standpoint.
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-Allen Wicks

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