Inaccessible_boot_device with Lenovo T61

Hi
We have a problem with the Lenovo T61.
I explain :
When i make an image of this laptop, it's works fine. I can put it on
the same laptop, but when i what putting it on another T61, i have
INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE when i reboot. Laptop are the same (chipset,
HDD, .....)
I tried this command (problem of geometry between Linux and Windows) :
- img d g before uploadinf image and note exact size
- img pd all
- img pv1 ntfs original size
- img pa1
- img rp server //server/vol/image.zmg a1:p1
Result is the same.
I also tried create a 30 Mb partition, and upload my image .... same
result.
My configuration : ZFD 6.5 SP2, Netware 6.5 SP5.
In Novell website, it's wrote i must patch my Zenworks with the IR1,
but i can't (because internal political problem, ...).
Have you a solution to my problem.
Thank's for your help.
KissKool
KissKool72

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:10:26 GMT, KissKool72 wrote:
> Have you a solution to my problem.
it could be ir1... but check if the laptops have the recovery partition
still on.
If you have already compiled drivers or have linux.2 please put them on
http://forge.novell.com/modules/xfmo...ect/?zfdimgdrv
Live BootCd and USB Disk from Mike Charles
http://forge.novell.com/modules/xfmod/project/?imagingx
eZie http://forge.novell.com/modules/xfmod/project/?ezie
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    After having the case escalated to a team leader, I was told that someone would give me a call within a few hours since their team leader is with another customer. Result? No callbacks. Not within a day, nor two.
    Called Lenovo again, they apologized, but samething happened - supervisor on the line - promised another callback by a supervisor - but nothing, nada!
    Called Lenovo a third time - was again told the same thing, but I am not falling for that anymore - the rep finally agreed to give me a replacement, as well as as to send out a technician that would fix the LCD cover that is starting to get loose on one side.
    At that time, I was so frustrated and this reminds me of the pain I have went through with my old ASUS laptop and their grumpy customer service. It just seems to me that it has to be that difficult to have anything resolved or fixed. (What is especially frustrating is that the basic reps do not have any authority to make any decisions, 90% of the time I will need to be transferred to a supervisor of some sort before my case can be handled successfully - which is hard at times given that I only have until 2pm PST to call them)
    Received replacement, but did not fix issue. I have noticed that the GPS (which was part of the WWAN card) also has problems getting adequate signals for a 3D Fix. I have once again called Lenovo, this time raising the concerns with the GPS and seeking for help. Along with the basic troubleshooting, here is what Lenovo has to say about the GPS issue which frustrates me even more:
    1) uh, G..P..S? what GPS? (most reps I call say this, shows me that they either don't know what a GPS is or know that there is a dedicated GPS builtin on the Ericsson module. Perhaps they don't even know that ThinkVantage GPS existed)
    2) You will need to have active service in order to use GPS (I do have active service, but nevertheless that statement is false since a 3D fix can be successfully acquired with a dummy card - I guess the rep has no idea what he/she was talking about)
    3) That's a software issue - you need to call AT&T and tell them about the problem (Again, I guess the rep has no idea that the GPS is not linked to AT&T's networks - there is a dedicated GPS on the card that allows the ThinkVantage GPS tool to acquire proper GPS signals) (Also, why would AT&T troubleshoot a tool that Lenovo made called ThinkVantage GPS? - I don't get it)
    4) You need to uninstall, and then reinstall the Power Manager driver and also the latest WWAN drivers. (I did that, did not work - I have told them I even reinstalled the OS from scratch)
    5) You need to go uninstall, and then reinstall the Wireless LAN drivers (although I am talking about wireless WAN, not LAN)
    6) There are two wireless adapters in your laptop? Are you sure about this?
    7) LAN, or WAN? What are you referring to? (I guess some reps are not aware what WWAN means)
    After dealing with the numerous reps that have no idea what I was talking about, I have decided that I would just take the machine into depot, which would give me a chance to explain the other issues I have with the machine as well.
    Here are some of the issues I am having with my T500 right now (please comment if you have the same issues or perhaps have a possible solution/workaround for it)
    1. The left side of the LCD cover has a pressure point, which causes the cover to dislodge from the rest of the panel slightly when pressure is applied from the back side of the cover. (Could be caused by closing the lid, for example) - IBM technician applied some adhesive to the inside, which helped it from dislodging, although the left side is still a little filmsy compared to the right.
    2. This error randomly pops up at infrequent intervals: "Display driver igfx stopped responding and has successfully recovered."
    The latest GFX driver is installed and all updates have been installed. OS has been reinstalled but problems still occurs infrequently.
    3. This error also pops up at infrequent intervals: "Active protection is not functioning as system detected the abnormal sensor status. To diagnose the sensor device, run PC DOCTOR DOS - HDD Active Protection Test and if it still shows, contact Help and Service for repair." The only problem is, my laptop only came installed with PC Doctor 5 for Windows and when I run it"
    I ran a sensor check in DOS using the diagnostic CD and the sensor checked out okay. This error seems to happen mostly after I changed a setting in the Active Protection System software. (ex. changing the suspend time, etc)
    4. By default, the internal microphone does not work. In order for the internal microphone to work, the Advanced multi-stream mode must be enabled in the SmartAudio control panel. If both redirection options are enabled, the internal microphones and the speakers would then work normally. However, the hotkey controls on the ThinkPad would not control the right device when headphones are plugged in (since headphones are classified as its own device when the Advanced stream mode is enabled) - Mute and volume controls thus only controls the internal speakers' volume, and have no control whatsoever when headphones are plugged in.
    5. The brightness on the T500 is rather dim. I am not sure if that's how the monitor is, but I can hardly see anything unless the display brightness is close to the max setting. I have the 1680x1050 matte screen.
    6. The WWAN card does not make a stable connection to the network and ThinkVantage GPS does not acquire a 3D Fix even when under direct sky for >20 minutes. What is interesting though is that if I turn off the monitor screen (Fn+F3) or close to lid, the WWAN connection will be very stable and GPS will function normally (acquire fix usually within 2-3 minutes). If the monitor/screen is turned back on after a GPS Fix is acquied, the signals will quickly deteriorate and the updates will either become delayed/inaccurate or a fix will be lost. The brighter the screen, the harder it is to get a fix or a stable connection. (At the max setting it is almost impossible to get a fix while at the lowest brightness a very weak fix can be acquired - this is the case even many sattelites have been detected) Perhaps something with power consumption? Or the LCD drawing too much power?
    7. Although it does not happen very frequently, pressing Fn+F3 to turn off the display might cause the LCD to flicker on and off non-stop.
    8. This used to happen more with the older version of the Lenovo Fingerprint Software - but sometimes the software tends to get stuck at the welcome screen after returning from sleep/suspend/standby mode. The screen will remain at Please Wait forever and a hard restart will be required to get back into Windows.
    9. At frequent intervals the sound from the internal speakers would stop working and only the headphones would work. The sound might, however, come back if I leave the headphones plugged in long enough and unplug them. Restarting the Windows Audio service will temporarily restore audio but the same issue tends to happen again soon after that. Driver issue? (I am not sure if it's relevant, but I tend to put my computer to sleep instead of shutting it down)
    I have explained all of these issues on a piece of paper that I have included in my shipment to Flextronics. I have also included in big letters to make sure that they do not send the laptop to the address where they originally sent the "box" to. This is because I am only at that address a few days during the year and I don't plan to be there most days during the year.
    On the first day, it seemed that the status changed from "Machine being repaired" to "Hold for customer information".
    Apparently I missed a call from a number with an area code of 901 (which is Memphis, TN - I assume this is Lenovo's support center, since this is where the package was sent to). No messages were left on the voicemail. Called the number back, but was however told that I dialed the wrong number and no one has ever called me on this number (the lady on the phone was quite rude too) I then called the 800 EZServ number instead, turns out that they wanted one of my passwords which I gave them.
    The evening after I saw that the machine was successfully repaired and that it is being shipped back to me. However, no tracking number was provided. (There still isn't a tracking number on the EZServ status page)
    Hoping that my machine was repaired in good condition, I took a day off so I would be able to wait for UPS to deliver my laptop.
    Such that I have something to work with, I called the EZServ # and see if they had a tracking number for my shipment. At the same time, I asked what components were replaced and/or what components were installed to the system. To my surprise, they reimaged the whole system and I was not even informed about this at all! (I do understand I checked the Yes box in the problem description page, but I felt that it was important that the repair center let their customers know before their data will be destroyed - luckily I imaged my laptop right before I shipped it out so I have a copy of my data) In addition, it also seemed that they did not read any of the pages I enclosed in the shipment since nothing about the WWAN card was ever mentioned, despite special emphasis placed on this when I called Lenovo to have my computer sent back. It seemed that the rep only recorded one of the problems I listed above, which was unsatisfactory.
    The repair process was disappointing, as I have included in my problem description that I have previously tried reinstalling the whole OS from scratch and the problems did not go away. Reimaging the system will also probably have no effect on the problems I have described in the problem description.
    What is more surprising to me though was that they totally skipped the notation I put on to have the notebook shipped to an alternate address relative to the box address. To make this impossible to miss, I miss drew a big * and circled it many times so that anyone would see it if they were reading the sheet. I found out shortly after checking on the UPS website that the city the package was being shipped to was that of the wrong address, and not the city of that of the alternate address. I was horrified after knowing that the package would not arrive today but yet I still took a day off work. (How disappointing?!)
    Again and again, I called EZServ to see if I can have the package intercepted so it can be delivered to the right address. An intercept was placed on the package, although I received a call 30 minutes later from UPS saying that the intercept failed since the package has already been delivered. UPS also told me there is no way the people living there can simply return it and continue on with the intercept. Not happy with what I am hearing, I called EZServ and see if they can set up a pickup request to have the package delivered to my address. The first rep hanged up on me shortly she answered. The second rep called UPS, placed me on hold for more than 20 minutes, then hanged up on me. The third rep called UPS, and told me that they have esculated the case and that "UPS will handle everything", whatever that means. (she refused to disclose any more details). She told me that I would be receiving a call from her shortly on the details on the upcomings and promised that I would be receiving my laptop back. As with Lenovo, I didn't receive any callbacks. I called EZServ once more, and all they would say is tell me to wait. Sick and tired of waiting and calling and not getting anywhere, I drove 100 miles to where they shipped my laptop and picked it up there. I just don't know whether to trust the EZServ people anymore....
    As far as the laptop goes, I didn't have time to open the box or to test it yet. But I will let you all know once I have taken a look at the results.
    While the past experiences have been painful, I haven't lost all hope in Lenovo yet - although I really think that the customer service can really improve on certain levels.
    Please give me advices on what to do next!
    Thanks for reading this!
    Message Edited by swg0101 on 04-04-2009 11:02 AM

    Swg0101
    Thanks for sharing your details - it seems like we should focus on recovery of your system at this point.
    I've sent you a PM - I'll look for your private message response with your contact information and case details so we can look into this and get you some help.
    Best regards,
    Mark
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  • Stuck on Windows Vista with Lenovo G550?

    Hi, I am experiencing a problem which is making me get really mad at Lenovo Customer Service and Microsoft at the same time. I am using a G550 with 1.8GHz Celeron CPU and 2GB DDR RAM with 250GB HDD and G4500 Graphics
    Here my Problem:
    I was quite happy when buying my laptop, and couldnt wait to install Windows 7 on it. As I did so, I figured out very soon that there are major issues with Windows 7 on my laptop, and I was not able to run any of my software. Games wouldnt run, the programs would crash and I felt fooled in a way. That was why I then thought of XP, which was a very simple OS, but at least would run all of my software on this Notebook that I had just bought. So I installed XP and I could not find all the drivers I needed, I was not able to run my WIreless LAN-Network and in total XP is a 9 year old piece of software, which has many security issues, and wont be suiting a new Laptop in this price category. I mean I spent some 500 dollars on this notebook, and then I end up running XP on it? No thanks!
    So I moved to Vista, which was my last hope, and which would at least run my applications, not crash and updatable. And at least I could really use the ease of this notebook on Vista. But one thing that really makes me crazily mad is, that I happen to have the worst performance with Windows Vista. I run SP2, the start procress needs like 40seconds without logon. Another additional 20 seconds for loading all the autostart programs (which are just CA Anti Virus and the usual system stuff). Do I have to be stuck on Windows Vista forever? I am experiencing so many problems with this operating system, but somehow its just more convenient than old dusty XP and new crashy windows7. Is it really this bad, that after spending hundreds of dollars on a new laptop I have to stick ot vista, in order to stay up to date and use my old programs which windows 7 just wont run?
    I think its bit of an Ironie that Microsoft does not solve their incompatibility issues with lenovo laptops, and that Lenovo does not care about the problems their customers experience.
    I was very well surprised when I bought this notebook until I realized the problems like:
    Disk turning on and off al the time
    Incompatibility with Win7
    Driver problems on old OS like XP
    I think lenovo really ows us a statement, and Microsoft should really tell us what we are going to purchase before we buy it. Money doesnt grow on trees and I am not willing to spend a lot of money on OS and Notebooks that later wont run correctly.
    Whats your opinion on this?
    Mahdi
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    Here you find some acceleration hints for vista ..
    Vista Tune Up
    if you running more XP based programs (esp.. games) why not choose XP ?
    but thats your own choice ....
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  • Lenovo Yoga - My first experience with a notebook - my last with Lenovo

    Short story about myself:
    I am a designer (print/web) and a coder (Web).
    I started my studying and thought it was time to get a Notebook as the iPad would not cut the productivity needed anymore. I was mostly working at the office or at home. But studying and the big breaks would make it impossible to get along both of those places so I needed a way to work while I was on the go.
    So I decided to buy a Notebook. It was down to a few models but the Lenovo Yoga 13" caught me.
    My i5 version had some great specs. Starting at 8GB ram going down to the IPS screen at HD resolution all was fine. 
    I picked it up in February just before my birthday as a little present and motivation for myself.
    Trouble began right after I received it. The Space key was not responsive on the bottom left corner and the keyboard was wobbly. I was kind of disappointed as I have always read that Lenovo does great Keyboards, the Yoga does not seem to have one. I know that the keyboard won't be as great as the mechanical Keyboard I have lying around here, but that bad ?
    The keyboard is what I would imagine a keyboard would feel like printed on a pad of silicone.
    Fan Noise, unbearable. Working in a quiet environment is impossible. I don't want to hear any noise from a device that is using an SSD. Other manufacturers are able to shut down noise, why is Lenovo not able to ? After working several nights with the Yoga and then switching one night over to my iPad I realized how terriblly disturbing that noise was. So I did a quick search came along the forums and saw a big thread which has even grown bigger. You see customers basically begging for an Update on the Fan Noise issue. The thread has 90 pages most of them people trying to figure a way out. Some even plug out their fans and yet the Yoga runs stable. 
    So , we could question how much effort went into that poorly designed patch for the Yoga.  It does not seem like a lot , despite the fact it took so long. I know how to Manage Information System Projects but I don't understand the time involved. Either there are problems you don't want to admit to your customer (bad documentation, no ressources, design flaw ... ) or you simply lack the ability to understand what your customer wants. 
    After I got sick of the issues which bothered me day by day I went into the store and registered a complaint. They sent it in.
    I had the following issues: 
    Space Key not responsive
    Top of the keyboard and right edge loose 
    Fan loud and always running
    High Frequent Noise
    Ability to turn on the device while lid is closed AND fans running at the same time
    It came back: 
    Module changed, Bios Update, Test run
    I took the device and inspected it in the store with a salesman. We both noticed a bump at the wasd keys thus we knew something went wrong and opened up the keyboard at the edge just to find out the official repair service used some double sided tape above the RAM slot. Space key was responsive now but the Keyboard had a big wave rising up at the left and lowering down at the right side. The fans were still running, I still had a high frequent noise and the ability to turn on the device while the lid was closed was still possible.
    So in the next hour without exiting the store I filled in another complaint. Waited another two weeks and got the message that I should be paying for the next repair. Incredible strategy. Do the repair bad and let the customer pay.  But that is not how you should deal with your customers. After speaking with the service guy , who seems to have spoken with Lenovo's service partner they took over the cost. 
    So now my Yoga was back.
    The whole keyboard was exchanged as it seems (it looked pretty new so I assume it was changed) - The repair information just said "module changed" 
    After just about an hour of using the keyboard was lose again. 
    Guess what I went back to the store and now it was the time to request my money. Of course I had to wait for another 2 weeks.
    It was a total downtime of 2 months and worst service I have ever seen. Especially that double sided tape was hilarious and unprofessional and made up for some good laughs. 
    And today I got my money back thanks to the law system we have here in Germany , which saves customers like me from faulty products. 
    In the time I did not have my Yoga I tried out several in stores and found the same errors over and over again and mostly with the keyboard. So it seems like a design flaw to me. A very bad one.
    Colors were scrapping of the edges even on mine to which was handled with a lot of care and carried with a very nice incase sleeve which has some very soft fur inside. 
    Fan Noise on all of them. Some were even worse than mine. 
    I am a very disappointed customer and  I don't think I will come back again to Lenovo and a lot of my friends won't get any recommandation at least not for the "casual" series. This should go straight to your quality assurance department.
    You should know that you only have one chance to do it right. And if you do it wrong at least care a bit. If you don't your customers will simply move on such as me. 
    I hope that everyone who enjoys his Yoga continues to do so and everyone who has complaints to put up their voice so you can be heard and people who are responsible for the flaws start correcting them. 
    I am happy to be out of that beg for something but don't receive anything circle. 

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  • Experience​s with Lenovo and my purchases of two laptops

    Experiences with Lenovo and my purchases of two laptops (one was exchanged) and issues following with defective parts:
    First.. Lenovo Return Policy:
    I had ordered an E420, and by  mistake in that I responded to an email advertisement while at work, and rushed through the online order (bad mistake).
    When I received the E420, I didn't like the LCD or keyboard at all... and was really disappointed. While researching other customer experiences, I assumed Lenovo basically had an "all sales final" policy for Canadian Customers.
    I called them the next business day after receiving the E420, and said I was disatisified with the it, and would like to exchange it for a T520. She said that is possible, but I'd have to order the T520 before I could get a return authorization (which was ok).
    I ordered the T520, and within a week (I had to call and bug them once), I received the return labels for the E420, and returned it that day. It took about 10 days, for the full E420 credit to show up on my credit card, and I was very happy to see they did not charge me restocking.
    Second, issues with the T520:
    Within hours of opening the T520, I noticed the upper cursor key was not working. Not very good for a brand new laptop... a bit disappointing.
    I called lenovo the next morning, and she apologized for the issue, and said she'd send me another keyboard asap... and the instructions. This was ok, since repairing PC's and laptops is a skill I have. The keyboard came the next day.... and I replaced it.. all good.
    Next issue:
    The bluetooth worked for about 3 days, and stopped working (which was a pain because I used a lenovo blue tooth mouse).  Bios shows it enabled, but does not show up anymore when I do a FN F5, or in device manager. Just to be sure it wasn't an issue with software, I used the recovery DVDs to reinstall the OS... still no bluetooth.
    Called Lenovo support, he had me pull battery, press the power button with no power sources connected (he said it drained any capacitors), reset bios to system defaults... reboot a few times... still no bluetooth.
    He suggested I re-seat the bluetooth daughter card. While I felt comfortable with this, I was surprised Lenovo Support would suggest this, because I am sure many or most customers would not have this expertise to open a laptop without doing some sort of damage. That being said, Lenovo does have a Hardware Maintenance Guide that explains step by step procedures for replacement of parts on the T520.
    I didn't do this while on the phone with him, but after going through the troubleshooting, he said a box would come to my door, and I'd have to ship my laptop away for a week or so to have it fixed.
    I expressed my unhappyness with this idea as UPS/Lenovo just delivered the Laptop to my door and a week had not even passed, and I have to do without it for a week or ???. 
    I said, this is why purchasing a laptop online can be a huge drawback... had I purchased from "Best Buy" I could go exchange it over the counter in a few hours.
    Anyways.. I asked if I could drop it off at an Authorized Lenovo Repair depot, and he said yes.. just bring the case number.
    I personally don't trust "Repair Depots" by default.  They scratch laptops, they leave screws out, they mark the plastic edges when separating the covers, bezels, etc because they use metal screwdrivers or are not careful when doing so.
    After I got off the phone, I was able to re-seat the bluetooth card... still not resolved. I think I will call Lenovo back and ask the part to be sent to me, and I'll replace it.
    Other comments:
    Sound - The volume level on the T520 isn't as loud as my HP nx9420... unfortunate.. but I can live with it.
    Performance: The Performance rating on my 5 year old HP nx9420 was 4.3, this new T520 was 4.6... not that much better and appears to be due to the video card rating.
    Lenovo Packaging:
    I was also very surprised that Lenovo ships the laptops by sending them in their own box, and not putting them in a large box with padding to protect them. That means that any rough handing by UPS, would be experienced by the laptop, which if you ever talk to people who work for UPS or other couriers admit that they work on volume/speed and not giving much priority to ensuring items are handled carefully.

    The Windows experience index is only a rough guide, not a benchmark. Many people have reported having minor things wrong with the machines as shipped. Perhaps, this is due to shipping damage.
    I find it interesting that you BT went out after a keyboard replacement. Mine did the same thing, and had to be replaced. 
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  • Strange problem with Lenovo S650

    I have an interesting problem with Lenovo S650.
    If it stay in 2G/3G mode - it connect and work in 3G network well. But if I put "only 3G" mode, it don't connect to the 3G network.
    I changed SIM-cards, modems, firmware, mobile operators -  Nothing change.
    What is the problem? Thank you.

    Because your network needs both 2G and 3G to establish an internet connection. When the signal is low ,3G is favored/preferred (WCDMA Preferred or Auto )...but that uses more power. Don't actually need 3G all the time.
    This isn't the root of your problem ...Actually isn't a problem at all .
    Now can you tell me your firmware build number(Settings>About phone.. ) ?
    Did you had this problem from day 1?
    Did you get the phone from China and flashed the ROW firmware yourself? Got the firmware from some Russian forum and changed some regional code at the first boot...by any chance?
    Beside flashing different baseband modems, have made other alterations (Like changing engineering mode settings... )
    Thanks
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