Inherit Permissions from parent

If I were to use Inherit permissions from parent instead of standard POSIX on a share, what happens
when you propergate permissions? Do permissions that you explicitly set get changed by the parent folder?
Are there any issues I should be aware of before trying Inheritted permissions?
The reason I want to change is because I have folders on my RAID that for instance hold raw un-touched images, whoever saves the files into this folder becomes the owner and everyone is read only, which is no good if someone else wants to make changes and save over the image, I have ACL set to try and overcome this, but Photoshop doesn't respect ACL and just goes by the POSIX permissions. Which means users are having to save to desktop and the drop the file in the raw image folder to replace it - which is ok but not perfect.
If I were using Inherit permissions and set the raw folder to everyone read and write, then in theory any files added into the folder would be read and write for everyone, is this correct? if so, what would happen to the permissions when a second user edits the image and re-saves it, is it still inheritting the read write permissions?
Hope this makes sense and i'm not rambling too much, but with 3Tb of files on the RAID I can't afford to experiment and screw up the permissions on the existing files else I'll be killed by 10 angry designers!

Did you ever find an answer to this? I'm having the same problem and wondering if it's simply a 10.5 server glitch. You shouldn't have to use ACL to get around it and as far as I know, if you set POSIX to inherit permissions from parents, that's exactly what should happen. But it doesn't for me either. Whoever creates a folder on our RAID becomes the new owner and staff is read-only.

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a few hours later I am receiving calls from staff members that are creating documents that can't make changes to their new documents. Of course I am at home asleep because I was up for 24 hours before I went home. Had I been awake, I would be assured I was living a nightmare which really began a few weeks ago, the day we decided to finally use our Tiger server installer.
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YOU CANNOT PROPAGATE ROOT/SYSTEM OWNED FILES AND FOLDERS PERMISSIONS
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