Inner Join Condition For  Database Tables in JDBC Adapter

Hi
Is there any restriction for Number of database tables to Write Inner join Condition in JDBC.
Thanks

Venkat,
No there is no restriction in Inner join. If your query executes perfectly in target Database then the same query will exceute perfectly while calling through XI.
Best regards,
raj.

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    Hi All,
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    Bye

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    Edited by: ABAP Techie on Sep 15, 2008 12:39 PM
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           and  afko~gstrs le v_start_date
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    Thomas, I've just been looking at some of Siegfried's posts and like what I am reading.  As you say, using full keys via joins is essential.
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