Interlaced or deinterlaced

which for home videos that will be watched on a tv via a mac mini through front row or maybe qt?
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it is a 60 inch 1080p hdtv sony sxrd rp model, I have to say that the only thing that looks good so far is strictly .dv files and even better if right from the camcorder, everything else real soft, blurry or jagged, I am taking dv files to mpegstream clip and converting to mp4, aptv, because I plan on viewing these movies on a mac mini, aptv or maybe a ps3, however now I am thinking maybe dvd for better quality, these tapes were dv that look bad but the 8mm tapes converted to dv look as good as the dv..really lost here.
1)have 2 mini dv tapes and they are original dv footage (500 rez)
2)have 12 8mm tapes need to convert to dv (may just convert these to a standalon dvd recorder)
Figured Id save the viewable versions as mp4 for best results, looks great on mac and mac display just horrible on my tv
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If my camcorder records in 1080i, will i have any problems exporting my movie in imovie as 1080p? I read something about interlacing or deinterlacing?

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For 1080p via iMovie '11, just remember to optimize video for “Full – Original Size”.
The latest Apple TV supports HD.
I've seen low cost Blu-Ray DVD players for less than USD$100.00. I've also seen reasonably priced external BR for Mac...try OWC, as one example.

Interlaced or deinterlaced to iDVD?

I created some short spots in FCP. I export them as uncompressed video. I bring them into a new FCP project for dubbing and they look great when I send them out Firewire to a deck and standard TV monitor. When I view them in QT player they look fine other than that I see they are interlaced.
When I then use those same uncompressed QT movies to send to iDVD 08 any graphics with movement and sharp edges (or video transitions that have sharp edges) look terrible. The edges are now blocks until the movement stops. These are not single interlace lines, but actual blocks of several pixels. I used the "professional" quality encoding and my startup drive has 50+ GB of space. There are nine :30 spots, so I'm not cramming too much video onto the disc. Do I need to deinterlace the video first?
Any comments would be most helpful.
Thanks,
--Kurt

Darn good question which I don't know off the cuff so let me do some searching on this forum and in FCP for you and I will post back (may take me a while but I will get back to you).
in the meantime this makes for good reading in the FCP Forum (First thread represents a similar situation):
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5038444&#5038444
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5447449&#5447449
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Interlacing - Deinterlacing....?

Hi,
Would anyone explain it to me in very simple - easy to understand terms? What is Interlacing and Deinterlacing and how it works?

I've been generating output files from PrPro CS4 for projection. Since these are in 3D, I create two separate files, one for each eye.
Source material is 1280x720p MJPEG. After editing, I output using the LEAD MJPEG Codec with just enough compression to keep file sizes to around 1.96GB each.
Recently, I was informed that the files appeared to be interlaced and the exhibitor had to use VirtualDub to deinterlace them before they could be shown as they looked terrible otherwise.
Is there some setting in the Export/AME workflow that caused this?
Or...?
I thought that I was working in a progressive format all the way.
Television is not involved in any of this - from acquisition to exhibition. No DVD's, just playing files off of servers to DLP Projectors.
I looked at the same files on my system, and see no interlace jaggies. He sent me screen grabs of the shots in VirtualDub from his system and there are.
How can I determine what's going on?
TIA,
p.s. Jeff,
received your Encore DVD book and am digesting it quite nicely. I don't usually output in that format, but have two projects that are looking for them, so I'll be digging into the Menu creation chapters this week.
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Crawling Title Very de-interlaced

Hi all.
Well, I am not sure if I am using the correct tool for the job. I filmed my child’s choir recently and one of the songs they sing is the renowned Dr Seuss Grandmas Killer Fruit cake. Sending this across continents the exact wording will get lost so I wanted use a crawl title and show the words as they were sung.
Well, after a little repositioning etc I was able to do it and felt really good about my newly found PRE 8 skills. Well, once I exported this to a WMV 1080i 30 to preview on my XBOX 360, the title is almost unreadable. It has very bad interlace, or deinterlaced lines running horizontally.
Is there a trcik to make these better ?
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You may also get better results if you just burn a BluRay disc and play it on that xBox.
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Interlaced Video Export

I am quite disappointed that mankind can send a man to the moon, but we cannot simplify and solve interlacing and deinterlacing. (Not to mention the other 1000 codec, conversion, incompatibilities out there.) I've read all the questions and answers...and it is apparant this interlacing issue is a difficult nut to crack. I will keep working on it.... no need to go into details just yet here......

Never been a problem for most of us, Eric.
But I guess it's easier to complain than to actually work through a solution.
Hope you find a workflow that works for you.

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I first convert the files to AIC using MPEG streamclip (also uncompressing the sound)
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Why is deinterlacing now considered "legacy"?

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Is this because we have all become millionaires and now all have the most spanking new LCD (tubro-charged by God) monitor screens, projectors and TV sets)?
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So if I shoot interlaced video and the final product will be viewed as h.264 both online and via digital projector then surely I need to deinterlace - don't I?
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I think you'll need to tell us more exactly what you are doing in JES Deinterlacer.
What Exactly is the source, and what do you want as output.
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For what it's worth: keyframes every 24 frames is something about the compression technique (and not valid for ProRes). And those 'every 24 frames' have nothing to do with framerate.
25 fps is the PAL framerate. I think the fact that the developer of JES lives in Europe might cause some preset to be set to 25 fps.
That's why you are seeing 24 and 25, and that's confusing to you.
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Rienk

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Hey there everyone.
*Newbie to HD editing alert.
I have two problems regarding HD editing/export.
I've been scouring the forums for several days, and I can't find a specific answer to what I need/want to know. Some things are understandable to a degree, and then there are things that seem way over my head.
(One thing, I've read about third-party programs like Cineform, and such, and was told that those programs aren't really necessary. So, if there's some way to stay away from them, I'd like your suggestions on that. However, if in the end, that's the way I need to go for this to work, then I guess I will have to go that route).
This is my first attempt at capturing and editing in HDV, so please excuse my ignorance if I refer to something in the wrong context.
My main goal:
To edit an HD wedding, shot with Sony FX-1 HD camera, and burn it to a Blu-ray disk.
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I have been editing with Premiere Pro CS3 for the past year now.
I used a Sony FX-1 when capturing my footage.
I believe that I captured all the footage in HDV ok. (I made a new project and used the Load Preset of "HDV 1080i30(60i)"; and then captured all the footage thru CS3)
My clip properties (when highlighted in the Project Panel) say that the clip is: an mpeg; and 1440x1080 (1.333).
1. My first problem: I captured 4 clips (Clips 1-3 are 1 hour each; and Clip 4 is 16 mins long). When I place Clip 1 into the timeline . . . the only way I can describe how the audio plays in this clip is . . . the audio looks like it's looping the same 5 to 6 minutes of audio throughout the whole 1 hour clip. (ie: the video is one, long, flowing 1 hour of continuous video; but the audio connected to this same clip, seems to be playing the first 5 mins of the clip, and then repeats it at the 6th minute). You can 'visually' see this problem when you view the audio waveform in the timeline.
The other three clips have no problem with audio at all.
2. My second question is a bit more lengthy:
I wanted to run a test of burning a Blu-Ray of this project's raw footage, to see how the workflow would go after I've edited the wedding.
When I go to Export my timeline to Encore, on the Encoding Settings area, it seems to only let me use the Preset of NTSC Widescreen, with a 720x480 video. I don't see anywhere where it mentions that this project will be HD (which I thought would keep my 1440x1080 dimensions on export).
The Format and Range areas are greyed out; and I can only choose a few things off the Preset dropdown.
Am I missing a step? Or is this what will be exported, but once in Encore, it will be able to burn correctly on Blu-ray?
Again, please excuse my naivety in understanding and/or mis-speaking my problem.
Also on the Export Settings window, on the Output tab - should I check off 'Deinterlace' also? I've read and read about Interlace and Deinterlace, and I am confused as to "what to use when".
So my specific questions are:
1. Regarding the 'repetetive audio loop' on one of my clips - what could the problem be there?
Will it export OK? Or should I just recapture that one clip again?
2A. Do I Export to Encore directly, when I'm done with my timeline and want to go to burn the Blu-ray disk? Or do I need to make my timeline into 'one fluid file'?
2B. If I'm supposed to make a file of the timeline:
Am I supposed to be Exporting to Movie instead?
(When I tried that, my settings under 'Video' showed up as a greyed out area for Frame Size, locked at 720x480 wi

Continuation:
2B. If I'm supposed to make a file of the timeline:
Am I supposed to be Exporting to Movie instead?
(When I tried that, my settings under 'Video' showed up as a greyed out area for Frame Size, locked at 720x480 with a ratio at 4.3. I changed the Pixel Aspect Ratio to "D1/DV NTSC Widescreen 16:9 (1.2)" and the ratio that shows beside the greyed out Frame Rate area does change to 16:9. But the size is still locked at 720x480.
Shouldn't I be seeing 1440x1080 SOMEwhere along the export line? Or at least some sort of ratio that would pertain to HD?
2C. Am I supposed to be Exporting to Adobe Media Encoder?
And if so, should I be choosing:
H.264;
HDTV 1080p 29.97 High Quality;
Output tab having 'Deinterlace' checked;
using VBR, 2 Pass;
leaving Target Bitrate default of 32;
and Maximum Bitrate default of 40?;
and should I be setting the 'Key Frame Distance' at 30 also?
2D. When exporting, should I always Deinterlace footage?
(I've read so much about Deinterlace and Interlace that I'm lost about the 'when to use either' aspect)
3. If I absolutely have to use a third-party program like Cineform, at what point do you use that program? Is this used at the time that you capture the footage, and then import those files into PPCS3? Or is this a program that you use to Export your project when you're done with your editing?
(I read all the information that Dan Isaacs posted about the "Premiere Pro HDV workflow Guide", but that was entirely too confusing to me right now, as a newbie to HDV, etc. I was going to attempt that way, but I ended up doing this post first).
In my meandering throughout the CS3 forum regarding SD, HD, HDV, etc etc, I have picked up alot of information regarding certain problems and situations. I may have all the info in my head, and I'm just applying it wrong; or, I'm missing something in the mix? I'm not sure what it is, but I seem to be having quite a problem doing what seems to be something that should be 'easy'.
I find this forum extremely helpful and understanding, so I'm looking to you all for help. I would appreciate any and all comments and suggestions!
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Photo Montage Jaggies

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I don't understand.
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I've just finished my first feature-length project in HDV on FCP, and I have some questions about output. In the past I've always been editing SD DV under 60 mins, so master output was always easy. But between the HDV and the 90 min. run time, things are a little more complicated.
We shot and edited in native HDV 1080/60i. We've rendered our final master sequence in HD ProRes, but I don't know where to go from here. These are my main questions:
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2. Keep interlaced or deinterlace? Again, most people will be seeing this as an SD DVD.
3. I'd also like to get a local video outfit to make an HD tape master for more secure long-term archiving. What tape format is recommended?
4. Question I should have asked but didn't? Please, do tell.
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Ken Summerall, Jr. wrote:
The absolute best quality that you are going to get is by exporting a QT movie using current settings and making it self contained. Since you shot and edited in an HDV sequence this will add no further compression (remember that HDV is already heavily compressed).
Uh-oh. That's not actually correct.
HDV is relatively unusual as shooting formats go, in that it's a GOP format, as opposed to an I-frame format. In I-frame formats, each frame of footage (or pair of fields, if you're shooting interlaced) is compressed all by itself, independently of all other frames (or field-pairs). But in a GOP format, a number of frames are compressed together — that's what "GOP" means: "group of pictures." The first frame is compressed independently, then the next frame is described in terms of what's different from the previous frame.
When you edit HDV +and then export it as HDV again,+ whether to videotape or to a Quicktime, the GOPs must be "conformed." As you edit, you make cuts that break the GOP structure, so the timeline cuts from the middle of one GOP to the middle of another without including the first frame on which that second GOP depends. So when you export or lay off, Final Cut has to go through and convert a bunch of I-frames to B- or P-frames, and convert a bunch of B- or P-frames to I-frames.
In essence, exporting or laying off HDV imposes a compression hit. You will reduce the quality of your footage.
Since the question was about the best option for mastering, HDV is +definitely not it.+ Would it be okay? That depends on the footage, and on how picky you are. But it's not the best option. The best option is to master to a (ha ha) mastering format. Uncompressed 8-bit, Uncompressed 10-bit and ProRes are good choices here.
As for tape … that's tougher. You can absolutely send an uncompressed or ProRes Quicktime file to a dubbing house and get it laid off to videotape, but the question is to what format? HDV is a poor choice, because of the aforementioned compression hit you take when conforming the GOPs. DVCPRO HD would actually be a step down for you, because it would downsample your 1440x1080 native footage (or your 1920x1080 master, if you chose to upres) to 1280x1080.
That leaves HDCAM and HDCAM SR. If you've done things like color correction or compositing in a 10-bit color space — or even long-slow dissolves to or from black, which is one of the places where 8-bit really falls apart on you — choose HDCAM SR. HDCAM is an 8-bit format only, and you'll lose color precision if you go to that format. But if you stayed 8-bit all the way through your workflow, then you can go to HDCAM without any real problems.
Note that both HDCAM and HDCAM SR +are compressed formats.+ Your only option for uncompressed HD videotape is D6, and good luck finding a Voodoo recorder nearby. But HDCAM and SR are good enough for professional mastering, so they'll surely be good enough for you as well. And they're both available in 94- and 124-minute lengths, so you can master your whole feature on a single tape.
(While you're at it, consider getting your uncompressed or ProRes master file dubbed off to a data tape format as well. You worked really hard on this project, so it makes sense to be a little paranoid about preserving the fruit of your labors.)

IMovie NOT able to import Sanyo HD1010 files ?

I want to know about what types of files format are supported by iMovie 09
Sanyo HD1010 Camcorder encoding format:
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H.264, AAC
That was shown in Info dialog in Mac OS X.
But iMovie seems not able to import.
I choose File > Import > Movie, and I select all movies I want to import.
Import Setting:
Large - 960x540
Copy files
And it goes to
Converting 1080i Movies
Processing Event: Christmas
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Time remaining: less than a minute
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iMovie not supporting that file format ?
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In Streamclip, drag your clips into the window. Then select File/Export To QuickTIme.
For Compression, select Apple Intermediate Codec.
For frame size, use the same as the frame size of your camera.
You may want to deinterlace the video, but you can try it interlaced and deinterlaced and see which one you like the best. You can test this with a short clip.
To test, import the AIC into iMovie, and then drag the clip into a project. Share the project in the format or formats you want to use (for example, h.264 for web, iPhone, or iTunes. Use Share to iDVD to make a DVD. Then see which one looks the best.
(In Streamclip, you can easily make a short clip by using I to set the in point and O to set the out point. This is nondestructive to the original clip that you dragged in.)

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If that QT Player setting is ON, it just automatically checks the "Window/Show Movie Properties/Video Track/Visual Settings/High Quality" setting (other interlaced playback related checkboxes remain the same).
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...erm, that sounds more complicated than it really is. Just experiment until you get what you want!
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Sorry, I didn't quite get the question... If you mean high/low-quality playback setting: it doesn't matter for iDVD because it is only a playback setting so it doesn't affect the way iDVD handles it (the same can't be said regarding all apps because some apps irritatingly honor that playback setting).
Or do you mean whether iDVD likes interlaced or deinterlaced input? That doesn't matter either. I prefer interlaced material because it looks smoother on a TV. Some folks prefer headache-inducing progressive material... See also:
http://www.sjoki.uta.fi/~shmhav/SVCDon_aMacintosh.html#interlacing

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The AVI file itself looks OK but when I bring it into FCP to do a little clean up work all fast movement is resulting in some terrible jagged edge/saw tooth effects. These are not present in the AVI file so I'm confused as to why they are appearing when placed in a FCP sequence? I have tried a de-interlace filter but the problem is still there. I need to get this onto DVD without the distortion.
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Marc Morris wrote:
The AVI file itself looks OK but when I bring it into FCP to do a little clean up work all fast movement is resulting in some terrible jagged edge/saw tooth effects. These are not present in the AVI file so I'm confused as to why they are appearing when placed in a FCP sequence? I have tried a de-interlace filter but the problem is still there. I need to get this onto DVD without the distortion.
This is probably just what FCP is displaying on your computer screen, not what it will look like when you're all done outputting to video. The problem is that your Canvas is not a full-size representation (pixel to pixel) of your video file and interlacing can cause this exact appearance. It's a moiré artifact more than a problem with interlacing. What does this look liek if you pipe it out to a video monitor? What happens if you blow up the Canvas to 400%?
You want to change the interlacing, not deinterlace.
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We bought a nice new high end consumer camera - the Panasonic HC X900M . For the price of about $800 this little camera shoots sharp, crisp, colorful, high definition video. My son is spending a year in China and did not want a large camera. Anyway....
It shoots in these modes I believe: 1080p and 1080i . So far so good. The video looks great. We get it into the computer. We did not want to buy a professional level video editing system / software.... So we have ADOBE Elements 10 (I believe it is 10 or 9). (I use CS6 and like Adobe editing.)
ELEMENTS does not work with 1080p. So we've decided to shoot in 1080i.
We bring the video clips into Elements. The settings for the project MUST MATCH the video shot... we understand that. The camera has different settings for 1080i shooting. They are HA HG HX HE = different mbps. (Here is a link to the specifications in case you cannot read the jpeg) http://panasonic.net/avc/camcorder/hd/x900_series/specifications.html
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Does Elements support this camera's settings for video? In this case 1920 x 1080 60i ? (list above) Can Elements support any of these, and how? I assume so, but if one mode in particular should be used, please advise.
For testing we shot in HA I believe to get as much quality in 1080i. We edited a test sequence. It looks and sounds great, plays back just fine in laptop software. Then we export. (The goal is to compress down to the internet Youtube best quality.) We first go to export to Youtube / Web. But Adobe will not ACCEPT his user name and password. We cannot log on to Youtube. Yes, the password is correct. So that does not work. Strike one.
We decide to export to desktop. We try H.264 and try to set the settings correctly, but every attempt at every setting, results in bad interlaced video. Strike two. There are many many options for export settings. We have tried a great number of options.
Any settings suggestions to make this work? Besides deinterlacing every single clip on the timeline? Or is that the only option.
Is there any editing software you can recommend - not high end professional - that will work?
Thanks for the help.

Premiere Elements can definitely work with video from this camcorder shot in 1920x1080 AVCHD at 60i. It also appears that your cam can shoot in both stereo and 5.1 audio, both of which Premiere Elements can support -- but take note of which you select so that you can match these specs when you set up your program.
Currently Premiere Elements doesn't support 1920x1080 at 60p -- that consumer interest in that format is growing, so you may well see support for it in an upcoming version of the program.
Most professional video editors will work with 1080p60, including Premiere Pro CS6 and Vegas Pro.
As for the different quality levels of your video, that's your call. The program should be able to work with any of them. But if you want the best results, I'd use the highest bit rate/quality.

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