Internal DNS - emailsrvr.mydomain won't resolve, IP does - www works.

Internal Mail won't resolve to emailserver domain, but LAN ip is fine
Hey gang, longtime reader first time poster.
After wrestling with this issue, i'm about out of ideas.
Here's my setup.
Leopard server 10.5.4, running OD master (all rocking),
AFP, Firewall, DNS, (mobile) network home directories.
I'll call this "xserve.mydomain.com "
Its NAT'd IP is 192.168.1.102.
It's a FQDN, kerberos is running and happy, all is well.
There are about 12
clients, each with a desktop (imac) and laptop (macbook).
I have a second (windows 2003 sbe) server hosting the following
services: Exchange and Web (for now).
I'll call this winsbe.mydomain.com
Its NAT'd IP is 192.168.1.101
My External DNS setup is this.
Our DNS hosting is done by our registrar (network solutions).
We own 4 static IPs from our ISP.
One IP is for our router/firewall providing NAT
to internal clients, and the xserve is on DMZ, with
its OSX firewall service turned on.
One IP is for the
windows server. (the last two, if you've been counting, are unused .
Via Network Solutions "advanced DNS", I have our zone
configured. "xserve.mydomain.com" points to its WAN
IP (66.xxx.xxx.198).
www points to 66.xxx.xxx.194.
MX records refer to "winsbe.mydomain.com" via
WAN IP 66.xxx.xxx.194 as well.
All outside services resolve correctly.
IE, i can hit the website and send/receive email from mydomain.com.
My internal DNS as setup as this:
primary zone= mydomain.com
nameserver= xserve.mydomain.com
mx record= winsbe.mydomain.com
xserve.mydomain.com has an A record to LAN IP.
winsbe.mydomain.com has an A record to LAN IP.
www is a CNAME record to winsbe.mydomain.com. <----i'm not sure about this one but it works.....
My forwarder IP points back to my Router (which seems to give me better performance than using ISP
DNS from here..)
I know this is working fine insofar as the webserver, as
an nslookup (www.mydomain.com) internally resolves www to 192.168.1.101.
mydomain.com and www.mydomain.com hit the webserver internally
on client browsers. rock.
Again, forward AND reverse nslookups internally resolve to winsbe.mydmain.com/92.168.1.101
Here is my guess as to my problem,
my internal hostname + a record for the windows server the same as the MX record
which has an alias from www.
I think it's getting effed in there somewhere?
If I setup email clients with the windows server LAN IP rather than
the domain "winsbe.mydomain.com" it all works fine.
I'd frankly be willing to half-*** it with this solution,
but each client will require a mobile computer, so we can't have that
I feel like i'm on the right track, but
just can't make the breakthrough.
Am I barking up the wrong tree here?
Here is a last question,
I have my firewall/router as the "Forwarder IP Address"
in the last page of Settings in server admin. When i put
my ISP's DNS servers, i always get a 2 second delay
for any web query on any client.
I have "127.0.0.1" as the first DNS entry in xserve Network Preferences.
The xserve is the only DNS entry in the client computers.
This isn't a "bad practice" or anything is it?

For the curious, my named.conf below (haven't messed with it):
// Include keys file
include "/etc/rndc.key";
// Declares control channels to be used by the rndc utility.
// It is recommended that 127.0.0.1 be the only address used.
// This also allows non-privileged users on the local host to manage
// your name server.
// Default controls
controls {
inet 127.0.0.1 port 54 allow {any; }
keys { "rndc-key"; };
options {
include "/etc/dns/options.conf.apple";
* If there is a firewall between you and nameservers you want
* to talk to, you might need to uncomment the query-source
* directive below. Previous versions of BIND always asked
* questions using port 53, but BIND 8.1 uses an unprivileged
* port by default.
// query-source address * port 53;
// a caching only nameserver config
logging {
include "/etc/dns/loggingOptions.conf.apple";
// Public view read by Server Admin
include "/etc/dns/publicView.conf.apple";
// Server Admin declares all zones in a view. BIND therefore dictates
// that all other zone declarations must be contained in views.

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    ftp.evolutionimpressions.com.
    22.116.129.64.in-addr.arpa. 86305 IN    PTR     mail.evolutionimpressions.com.
    ==========================================
    A reverse on 184.168.26.1
    c:\DIG>dig -x 184.168.26.1
    ; <<>> DiG 9.8.0 <<>> -x 184.168.26.1
    ;; global options: +cmd
    ;; Got answer:
    ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 52143
    ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
    ;; QUESTION SECTION:
    ;1.26.168.184.in-addr.arpa.     IN      PTR
    ;; ANSWER SECTION:
    1.26.168.184.in-addr.arpa. 3600 IN      PTR     p3nlhg290c1290.shr.prod.phx3.secureserver.net.
    ==========================================
    In summary, it appears 184.168.26.1 is the record for both
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    But I noticed, is that when I typed in
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    This is because www.evolutionimpressions.com is a
    CNAME for http://evolutionimpressions.com/ (without the www). 
    Therefore that concludes me to believe that's why internally you can't access the site. This is because no matter what you do, since evolutionimpressions.com, and the CNAME is always reverting it
    http://evolutionimpressions.com, and your AD name is
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    www.evolutionimpressions.com. HOWEVER, because the website is always redirecting to
    http://evolutionimpressions.com due to the CNAME, it won't work, and will create a redirect loop.
    I haven't seen this scenario before.
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    evolutionimpressions.com            A     184.168.26.1
    www.evolutionimpressions.com    A     184.168.26.1
    Then either always only use www in front of it, or do the IIS trick/workaround above. Here'a little tidbit - in the browser, simply type in
    evolutionimpressions (without www or com), and then hit CTRL & <enter>, and the browser will add the WWW and COM to it.
    Here's more on that DC IIS trick/workaround:
    Can't Access Website with Same Name (Split Zone or no Split Brain)
    Published by Ace Fekay, MCT, MVP DS on Sep 4, 2009 at 12:11 AM  1278  0
    For no WWW in front of URL, scroll down to "So you don't want to use WWW in front of the domain name"
    http://msmvps.com/blogs/acefekay/archive/2009/09/04/split-zone-or-no-split-zone-can-t-access-internal-website-with-external-name.aspx
    Ace Fekay
    MVP, MCT, MCITP EA, MCTS Windows 2008/R2, Exchange 2007 & Exchange 2010, Exchange 2010 EA, MCSE & MCSA 2003/2000, MCSA Messaging 2003
    Microsoft Certified Trainer
    Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
    Complete List of Technical Blogs: http://www.delawarecountycomputerconsulting.com/technicalblogs.php
    This post is provided AS-IS with no warranties or guarantees and confers no rights.

  • Access website with same name as internal dns...

    Hi there
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    From what you're saying then, I need to change the DNS host name of the internal network to example.net or similar.
    You can use a level within your own domain, such as server.internal.example.com, where server is the host name and internal identifies a host within your network, and example.com is a domain you own. Larger networks use this construct to identify hosts within a corporate site or a particular building, such as www.corp.example.com, www.frobnitz.example.com and www.boston.example.com.
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    Good Afternoon,
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    Hi All,
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    http://blog.opendns.com/2010/07/27/calling-craig-heffner/

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    only since we do not have any public facing applications or web servers such as SharePoint etc.
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    Is it as simple as creating a new forward lookup zone, adding static records?
    How do we (or do we) handle delegation?
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    Russ

    Hi,
    I’m not quite understand your question, do you want to create a new primary DNS zone on your current DNS server? If so, you
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    The related KB:
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    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc776365(v=ws.10).aspx
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  • Handling Dyn DNS Active/Failover service while also hosting internal DNS

    I want to try and take advantage of using Dyn DNS failover service for our websites, to where it will detect when our primary public IP address to webserver goes down and will automatically update the dns record to use our 2ndary public IP address in our
    failover site.  The only trouble i'm running into is we also host the domain name internally as well which we normally point to the private of the web server in our primary site.  is there a way to just have the request for that one specific A record
    to go to an external dns server to get resolved while the remaining records can be resolved internally by that server?  tried round robin with the 2 ip's addresses but does not work as i need it to.  Thanks any help is appreciated.
    Michael Duhon

    Hi,
    According to your description, my understanding is that you want the customer to access the website by another public IP when the current public IP down: request for specific A record to go to an external DNS server to get resolved while the remaining records
    can be resolved internally by that server.
    Usually we can use DNS conditional forwarder to redirect the query for a specific domain name to another DNS server, but we can’t specific a DNS server for an A record query.
    Or, you may try to manually add the record in local hosts file.
    Best Regards,
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