Inverse Telecine...

If I shoot in 24P, can I use a program called JES Deinterlacer to perform an inverse telecine then re-import into FCE???
I am having a hard time getting an answer about using 24P footage with FCE. I want to import 24P footage into FCE after a pulldown has been performed using JES Deinterlacer.
Is this possible? Does anybody in the Apple world know?
Thanks Everyone!!

Oh I am choosing the H.264 because I assume it is the the best compression. I would never be able to fit and hour or so of uncompressed HD footage on a standard DVD. Is there a better exporting setting to use in FCE that will give you max resolution and allow you to fit up to an hour of 1080i HD onto a dual layer DVD? I think the dual layer holds 8.5GB?
I used a Canon HV20, it says it is 24P, but the way the editing program recognizes it from other 24P cameras is different from what I have researched. I think for this camera they call it 24P standard. Here is an explanation for use with the Canon Hv20 and FCP on one of Apple's articles:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306389
The problem is I do not have FCP6, only FCE. It looks as though I am going to have to get FCP with all the issues I am going to encounter!! If you have any advice that may help me in just using FCE for now that would be great. If we can sell our movie someday then we can buy FCP!!!
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Best tool for Inverse Telecining and deinterlacing ?

I have very limited experience in encoding videos before.
Recently I'm trying to transcode a DVD into H.264 with x264. All the VOB files are dumped already.
As for the video part, I've decided to do it this way :
mkfifo TEMP.y4m
x264 OPTIONS -o OUTPUT.mkv TEMP.y4m & mplayer -vo yuv4mpeg:file=TEMP.y4m OPTIONS INPUT.VOB
I believe this method to be clean and efficient.
The problem is: This VOB file is in NTSC format, and I'm pretty convinced that it's telecined, after reading this:
http://www.doom9.org/ivtc-tut.htm wrote:TELECINE is a process where the FILM first is slowed down to 23.976 frames/second. Then for every 4 frames, an extra frame is created from fields of adjacent frames. If a frame consists of two fields, top (t) and bottom (b) and the original sequence is 1t1b 2t2b 3t3b 4t4b, then the telecined sequence would be 1t1b 2t2b 2t3b 3t4b 4t4b (commonly called 2:3 pull down because of the alternating 2 field, 3 field progression). This also means that the frame rate increases to 29.97 frames/second.
I viewed the video frame by frame, and found out that there're 2 sequential interlaced frames out of every 5 in a non-static scene. These are 2t3b 3t4b frames I think.
mplayer comes with some video filters that might help: With "-vf pp=" the result isn't that satisfying, but "-vf pullup" do the job nicely, that is, I can almost see no interlacing at all with this command:
mplayer -vf pullup VTS_01_1.VOB -noconfig all
On the other hand, I also noticed that there're 2 sequential repeated frames out of every 5 in a non-static scene. The frame-rate is 29.970 fps. This is bad because repeating means inefficiency in terms of compression. The better result is using only one of these 2 repeated frames at a frame-rate of 23.976 fps, which means dropping 20% extra frames.
But I don't know how to achieve this.
I want to achieve this at the mplayer decoding stage, so that x264 is fed with a yuv4mpeg source stream with no interlacing or extra frames.
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I'm not familiar with mencoder's options, though it seems to be able to drop the extra frame with "-vf pullup,softskip -ofs 24000/1001", but I can't find a way to let mencoder output as yuv4mpeg. Also there is a reason why I tend to avoid using mencoder:
mencoder -ss 209 -endpos 20 -ovc copy -oac copy -o _short_.vob VTS_01_1.VOB
This is supposed to cut a 20-second short clip from the VOB using copy. But even task as this simple could be wrong...which is really disappoiting. Look at these 2 screen shots.
By using mencoder -ovc copy::
http://omploader.org/vMjE3Zw
The original (mplayer VTS_01_1.VOB)::
http://omploader.org/vMjE3aA
Maybe it's just my build of mencoder(compiled at home)... But with this I really can't say mencoder is to be trusted.
...Or, is it something wrong in my command?
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By the way, for this specific DVD, I believe mplayer plus x264 together can achieve the best result; on the other hand, just as the title suggests, I'd like to find some decent tool to do IVTC and Deinterlacing. CLI preferred but good GUI apps are also welcome
Thanks in advance!
Last edited by lolilolicon (2009-07-25 03:31:59)

skottish wrote:You should be able to use the -vf pullup,softskip stuff still.
man mplayer wrote:Softskip
Only useful with MEncoder. Softskip moves the frame skipping (dropping) step of encoding from before the filter chain to some point during the filter chain. This allows filters which need to see all frames (inverse telecine, temporal denoising, etc.)
Actually, when I tried::
mplayer -vf pullup,softskip VTS_01_1.VOB -noconfig all
The result is the same as just using "-vf pullup". The extra frame can't be dropped by mplayer this way......
Too bad many "convenient" tools like h264enc all use mencoder. I don't know whether handbrake does too. Haven't tried it out.
Avisynth is a great tool but works only for windows. x264's built in deinterlaced mode does no good in my case. ffmpeg's filters are still too limited by far. What can I do? Is there anything that does nothing but good IVTC?
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Klepper wrote:It says to always use the softskip filter together with pullup
man mplayer wrote:Always follow pullup with the softskip filter when encoding to ensure that pullup is able to see each frame.
In my case, pullup seems to work better than filmdint: I've just tried the h264enc script which is almost totally a frontend to mencoder. Look at the mencoder filters it used:
mencoder VTS_01_1.VOB -o 01.avi -fps 30000/1001 -ofps 24000/1001 -vf filmdint=fast=0/io=30:24/dint_thres=256,softskip,harddup -oac pcm -ovc x264 -x264encopts <x264OPTIONS>
See, it also used filmdint as you suggust. The result is not too bad: removed the extra frame and plays at 24fps. But I can still notice interlacing occasionally. Maybe it's because the video isn't constant pattern "PPPII" but with some shifting (say, PPPIIPPPII...PPPIIPIIPPPIIPPPII, I found some pattern like this in the source VOB)
Man page says "io=<ifps>:<ofps>" must match "-fps/-ofps" ("-fps 30000/1001" and "-ofps 24000/1001" in my case.)
Since -ofps is an option ONLY for mencoder, but not for mplayer, filmdint can't make mplayer drop the extra frame like mencoder.
I played the VOB with "mplayer -vf filmdint=fast=0/io=30:24 VTS_01_1.VOB -noconfig all" and there're lots of "@@@@@@@@ Bottom-first field??? @@@@@@@@" spitted out in the console. I read about this in the man page but don't understand....
If the source is MPEG-2, [u]this must be the first filter to allow access to the field-flags set by the MPEG-2 decoder[/u]. Depending on the source MPEG, you may be fine ignoring this advice, as long as you do not see lots of "Bottom-first field" warnings.
I don't have any other filters in the command line, so... why?
The occasional interlacing is the same as the video encoded with h264enc. Also, it did not drop the extra frame anyway.
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Also I have a doubt:
In my first post, I wrote:
The original (mplayer VTS_01_1.VOB)::
http://omploader.org/vMjE3aA
But I think even this is not "original" -- not as good as the original video before it was telecined into NTSC format. I think it's mplayer not doing it good enough. The real original frame should have no blocking......
I've compared it to one fansub rip, the same frame looks better than in the image above, very little blocking, also the bass string isn't blurred like in the image above:
http://omploader.org/vMjE5aw
I don't know how they did it. And I actually want to do it better
Last edited by lolilolicon (2009-07-25 09:32:30)

DVDSP4 corrupting Inverse Telecine .m2v's on import? Rant: long post

hello everyone
my computer set up:
i am on DVDSP 4.03 (latest update) with all pro updates, have not upgraded to QT 7.1.1 and OS X (10.4.6).
my workflow:
most of the tape material i encode from comes from my MPX3000 hardware encoder and is then transfered via network to my mac for authoring.
my problem:
i transfer the compressed files over the network no problem, import them into DVDSP, no problem, i place them into the stream, and the file is corrupt. now, i use that term because the header information of the .m2v is all corrupt, as in the bit-rate is not what it's supposed to be, running time is off and believe it or not the first 20 or so minutes (as example, this varies from project) is in the middle of the stream, the end credits are in the beginning of the stream and so forth. amazingly, the audio is perfect.
at first i did the standard erase prefs, .PAR folders and even optimized my drives (since i have been a bit negligent to run techtool or disk warrior). still continued to have problems.
then i suspected the network, even though we have a gigabit network, i am in a fairly large facility and we are always transferring large files. so i directly connected to the mac from Spruce and made sure no other ethernet was connected, transeferred the .m2v's and same problem.
ok, i thought, maybe DVDSP became corrupt? i removed FCS from my mac, made sure ALL files related to it were also trashed and re-installed. imported the the .m2v, same problem.
ok, ok, i am going crazy, the ENCODED file is corrupt, so opened it up in spruce, file was exactly as it should be!!
then i thought, let me see in QT, VLC and MpegstreamClip...
QT = file had incorrect: bit-rate, duration and frame rate.
VLC = file had correct header info, but playback was half frame rate.
MpegSTreamClip = file had correct header infor, but once again, played and half frame rate.
then i thought: "what if i compile my project and then demux in Mpegstreamclip". compiled in Spruce, demuxed and imported into DVDSP, wayyyyy better, but still had problems! the running time was of, it added about 20 minutes of video (it duplicated some scenes).
i was starting to go crazy, then it hit me!
whenever i flagged for inverse telecine in CBR mode (i do not trust MPX3000 IT flag detection in VBR) the files were corrupt. so i did a test:
CBR with IT on
CBR with IT off
VBR with IT on
VBR with IT off
to my surprise, all files with IT off worked perfectly in DVDSP, QT, VLC and Mpegstreamclip!
my stomached dropped to the floor! i had 2 huge projects due with the features being a 24 fps D5 master, so IT had to be, that meant they had to be completely re-authored in Spruce!
unfortunately, a lot of shortcuts and files that have no problems in DVDSP had a hard time is Spruce.
once again, i LOVE DVDSP, but AGAIN, i lost some respect for her
by the way, i tried importing some menu files (audio and video) that were encoded in Compressor and some had trouble importing in Spruce while others no problems (even though the EXACT same settings were used).
in addition, so dummy 5.1 streams i created were not compatible with the 5.1 streams created from the acx5100 card. of course i checked my sample rate, bit-rate and channels, no good!
i just dont understand all of a sudden how this could happen, oh well, it gives me an excuse to ask for a 10k drive that i have been wanting for some time to be used as my root drive!
let's brainstorm guys, see whats going on?
anyway, thanks for any input
by the way, i will have updates as i upgrade, test and trash prefs and such. i am sure this works! (i still have faith in you DVDSP!)
Mikey M.

Hey Max
yeah that method does sound tedious!
as far as the encode, when i use the hardware encoder, if i am coming from an SD source, then i try to get the HIGHEST quality master/transfer i can get.
if i am capturing from a HD master, then there is not much i can do (since i dont have a pre-processor) except make sure the in-box conversion is set correctly.
if i am capturing SD material for various non DVD encodes, 8-bit is the way i go.
for HD, it depends how they color corrected it. but i generally like to go 8-bit as well.
i have yet to create 24p files using compressor for DVD.
**UPDATE**
so talking to my IT guy at work, come to find out that the NT operating (my Spruce) has a 4 GB file limit. i told him that was hard to believe, since if tha twas the case, i would have trouble with DVD-9's.
anyway, he did say something that made some sense: that since the header information was being corrupted, that no matter what program in OSX was used for playback, it would have problems. so i moved teh said file back to spruce and sure enough, it was corrupted!
he suggested that i .zip the file (since this would act like a shell) and do 2 things: FTP it via our spruce and move the file over again in the .zip.
just to appease him as well, i encoded the said file to be under 3 GB's (i am totally skeptical of this method).
will keep you guys posted
Mike M

Inverse Telecine on the Capture

Does anyone know if it is possible to remove pulldown on the capture? I have 1080i 29.97fps sources (HDCAMSR and D5) with film content and would like to capture directly to Apple Pro Res 422 (HQ) at 1080p 23.98fps. To save time (and money) we don't want to go through any external conversion boxes like a UFC to do inverse telecine. Is there any way in FCP to remove the 3:2 cadence and bring the video back down to 23.98 in real time on the capture? I know we can do a post-IVT with tools like cinema tools, but we're trying to avoid that extra step. Thanks in advance for any input.

No, there isn't. Take the extra step and go through Cinema Tools to convert. It really doesn't take that much more time.

25fps footage to put on PAL and NTSC DVDs - Inverse Telecine?

So, I've shot and edited a short item in 25P from my PAL HVX200...
I'd like to create a 'movie feature'-style NTSC DVD. One that has MPEG-2 files with inverse telecine flags to tell the NTSC decoder to repeat the fields to pull up the footage to 29.97fps.
Does that mean I need to scale my footage from 720w by 576h down to 720w by 480h, set the speed to 95.904% to 23.976fps? Can I do this in Compressor? Will Compressor take the audio and speed it up too, but keep the pitch the same?
That will get me a 24P NTSC file. How do I encode this as an MPEG for an NTSC DVD?
If I wanted to create a 'progressive' PAL MPEG for DVD (with the inverse telecine flags), are they encoded as 576 by 720 frames at 23.976fps, or at 24fps?
In the PAL world, a bit in one of the 50 non-broadcast lines is used to tell TVs and DVD players that the content is anamorphic. Is there an equivalent for NTSC? Does Compressor take care of that?
G5 2x2.5GHz Mac OS X (10.3.9)

Hey Alex
a little confused here, but from what i can gather:
you have a movie shot @ 25 fps (PAL)
you want to make a NTSC dvd and a PAL DVD, is this correct from the above source and make sure they are progressive?
well ok the PAL one is easy, just take your source video into compressor and in the frame control tab, make sure that your ouput field is progressive.
the NTSC DVD is a little tougher. do you have FCP?
the only difficulty i do see, like you said was the audio pitch/speed.
i guess you CAN do a conversion in compressor, but how well it looks.. dont know i will run some tests and let you know
Mikey

How to inverse telecine this?

I have some 30 fps video that has a pattern of five interlaced frames to a single progressive one. I suspect this is a conversion of some sort from 25 fps PAL to NTSC. What I'm trying to figure out is how to get this into a progressive 24 fps format. Any suggestions?

Brute force - is what I'd try, and a real rough stab in the dark here. What you've described looks weird. More like some Flash frame rate kinda web thing thats been converted somehow.
Copy the file - use CinemaTools on the copy to conform to 24.
It'll likely look like absolute cr@p given what you've described - but ...?
As starting point - hey ...

Determining type of telecine

Hi, I work at a post house and just started playing with Cinema Tools to perform an inverse telecine on finished projects of ours. Some of them have worked without a hitch using either F1-F2 AA or F2-F1 AB. Though there are several more which have been less cooperative.
I was wondering if there was a way or maybe with another application that would allow me to know which option I need to be selecting to properly perform an inverse telecine on these other projects. Or if I'm just doing something plain wrong to begin with that would be helpful too.
This is using Cinema Tools version 2.2 on mac OS 10.3.9
Thanks
-Derek

Janine,
I've talked to several collegues and even some ex Nortel and Avaya people. None of them have ever seen this functionality in the US. It may be buried in the signalling layer of the ISDN PRI, but that would be a long shot at best. Unless you are in a country that splits out the phones by type (Europe is known for this) I'm not sure that you'll find this easy to do. I will ask a few more people on Monday, but my tentative answer is to say no, it can't really be done.
Regards,
Robert W. Rogier
CSE - TAC UCC

Different frame rate encoding on tape (24p & 24pa)

Hi,
I usually record to tape with my dvx100 using 24pa, but sometimes the quick setup dial was switched accidentally resulting in a different frame encoding, like 24p for example.
Everything is recorded in 29.97fps on mini-dv, we all know that, making apparently no difference b/w 24p and 24pa.
But of course, when i'm trying to capture this footage through FCP, i can't always remove the advanced pulldown because there's a few clips that have been recorded with 24p instead of 24pa.
Questions:
- How can you detect the different encoding on tape, whether it's 24p or 24pa?
- Can you get FCP to create a new clip (at least stop) the capture for those sections of the tape where I have something different than 24pa?
- If nothing like that is possible, how do you solve this problem?
Thanks!

the only pulldown pattern that FCP can remove at capture is 24pA (3:2:2:3). Standard 3:2 pulldown can only be reversed using cinema tools. If you open the clip in cinema tools, you'll need to park the playhead on the first frame of the pulldown cadence for it to correctly remove the pulldown. This will create new copies of your clips, which will take up a corresponding amount of space. There is no way for either FCP or CT to reconize the pulldown cadence of standard 3:2 clips, so you'll have to manually find the A frame of the cadence. If you have a huge number of them to do, you may find it quicker to place each clip in a sequence where you can put the A frame of the cadence as the first frame in the sequence. Export these as a batch of reference movies, and you should be able to do a batch inverse telecine on them in Cinema Tools.
These new clips will no longer match the timecode of your tapes, so if you remove the original 29.97 media, you should at least keep the offline 29.97 clips in your project in case you need to recapture.
Hope this helps -
Max Average

How to HD content into Apple TV

How do you HD video on the Apple TV?
What are users doing to do this?
(The only source I have see is the download movie trailiers (720p) via the Apple site)

Here is one way to get high quality HD content onto your AppleTV for little more than buckets full of your time and storage. (There are much more space efficient ways, but this is the easiest to document here.)
Programs Required: EyeTV 2 + ATSC Tuner (for recording HD OTA broadcasts), MPEG Streamclip, JES Deinterlacer, QT Pro
For 1080i Content
1. Record over the air HD broadcast via EyeTV Hybrid or something similar.
2. Using MPEG Streamclip output a QT movie using MotionJPEG or PhotoJPEG as the CODEC. You can also use MPEG Streamclip to scale down to 720i at this step. NOTE: Do Not deinterlace the footage yet!
This step creates a massive new file but the quality is stellar. (Ex. 23gb for one 22min 720p television show.)
3. Taking your newly created monster file, use this as your source file for JES Deinterlacer and choose “Inverse Telecine” as the project. JES Deinterlacer is a great, free tool that allows you to easily do an inverse telecine on many types of footage. This is the best way to convert 30fps footage back to 24fps. 24fps is also a requirement for QT Pro to keep HD footage at HD resolutions when using the Export to AppleTV preset. (I.e. Even if your footage is 720p it will downconvert to SD if the frame rate is anything other than 24fps or 23.98fps.) JES will create another gargantuan file of equal size and quality to your first file, but now it will be in perfect-looking progressive scan, 24fps. More detailed instructions on this tool are available in its help file.
4. Take your 2nd gargantuan file, and compress it via QT Pro using the AppleTV preset and voila, you have a great HD file that is just as good looking as any of the HD trailers on Apple.
For 720p Content
1. Record over the air HD broadcast via EyeTV Hybrid or something similar.
2. Using MPEG Streamclip output a QT movie using MotionJPEG or PhotoJPEG as the CODEC.
This step creates a massive new file but the quality is stellar. (Ex. 23gb for one 22min 720p television show.)
3. Taking your newly created monster file, use this as your source file for JES Deinterlacer and Choose “reinterlace” as the project. JES will create another gargantuan file of equal size and quality to your first file, but now it will be in 720i. (JES Deinterlacer requires the input footage to be interlaced, hence the additional step. This doesn’t degrade your video.)
3. Taking your 3rd newly created monster file, go back into JES Deinterlacer and choose “Inverse Telecine” as the project. JES will create the final mountain of a file in 24fps.
4. Take your last gargantuan file, and compress it via QT Pro using the AppleTV preset.
Be warned, this process can take hours even on a dual core processor Mac, but it will give you some shows and movie that will make your AppleTV shine.
Black Macbook Mac OS X (10.4.9) Mac Mini (Intel), AppleTV, FCS

W510 checkered pixel patterns while running on battery [workaround]

Hey all, got my W510 in the mail yesterday and am quite pleased with it so far, but I have one issue that I've determined to be related to the power profiles. When using any energy-saving power profile while running off battery power, when I have a flash website (e.g. Nvidia's homepage) open in IE or Chrome or if I move any window around the screen enough, some kind of strange pixel checkering occurs constantly when the screen has too much activity. It's as if every other pixel gets shifted over by one making what looks like a checkerboard out of all the pixels on the screen. I can still read the screen, but it makes my head spin.
If I choose the standard 'Max Performance' power profile, the issue doesn't manifest when running on the battery. If I choose any of the others or create my own profile to mimic the Max Performance profile, I still get the checkers. It still manifests if I go through and turn off all power-saving options or increase the brightness of the backlight. If I start with the Max Performance profile and adjust it to my needs, the problem doesn't occur. Something tells me that the performance profile has something subtly different than all the others and it's not a configurable setting.
Has anyone else experienced this problem? Should I upgrade my Nvidia drivers from version 188.25, which came with the machine? I've read that other people have had issues upgrading their Nvidia driver. The way the system behaves, this seems like a power management issues more than an Nvidia driver issue.
Edit: I should also add that I don't have the issue while running on the AC adapter. Also if I take a screenshot while the pixel shifting occurs, the screenshot is crisp and clear with no signs of the pixel problem. This seems purely hardware/power management related.
Edit: see my later post on adjusting the power settings to work around this issue.
Solved!
Go to Solution.

It's reasonably likely that whatever issue you're seeing is linked to a setting in the NVIDIA Control Panel. So the best diagnostic you can do is, in high-performance mode (where the problem DOESN'T occur), write down the value of EVERY single setting that's available in that control panel.
Then, put the machine in a power mode in which the problem DOES occur. Then again go into the NVIDIA Control Panel and check every single available setting to see if anything has changed. There's a reasonable chance that you'll then find out what setting is causing the problem.
A picture is worth a thousand words, and a video probably ten times that. Taking a close-up shot of the screen while the problem is occuring, with either a still camera or preferably a video camera (or both), may help siginifcantly in diagnosing the problem. A simulated picture may differ in some subtle way from what's really happening, and those subtleties may be important. For instance, does the effect only break up vertical lines, and not horizontal lines? And does it only happen to content that is moving on the screen? And you're running your display at its native resolution, and not some larger or smaller resolution, right? Is the horizontal offset in the effect always just one pixel-width, or is it more than one pixel-width if you move things fast enough?
The simulated picture that you provide looks like it suffers from an artifact that appears WITHIN moving items that are displayed on an interlaced-scan display. The artifact goes away when the item ceases to move. But these aren't supposed to be interlaced displays. And I assume that you're talking about the built-in LCD in the W510, and not some external display, right? If somehow your display card is in interlaced display mode, then the problem probably won't appear in any screenshot the W510 takes of its own display. So at least that part of such a problem would agree with what you're describing.
So maybe the card is in an interlaced display mode when it's not supposed to be. Such a setting would normally be contained under some sort of "Video" menu in the NVIDIA Control Panel.
And from nVIDIA's website:
http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2343&p_created=1231528...!!&p_li=&p_topview=1
"Graphics card temperatures typically range from 40°C to 90°C."
The only mention of interlacing that I see on their site for that graphics card is in the "Features" section of:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_quadro_fx_880_m_us.html
"PureVideo HD Technology
NVIDIA® PureVideo® technology is the combination of high-definition video processors and software that delivers unprecedented picture clarity, smooth video, accurate color, and precise image scaling for SD and HD video content. Features include, high-quality scaling, spatial temporal de-interlacing, inverse telecine, and high quality HD video playback from DVD."
Plus there are many references to interlace features in the "NVIDIA Accelerated Linux Graphics Driver README and Installation Guide" which covers your video card. And those features are also presumably present in the Windows driver as well:
http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/195.36.08/README/README.txt
One such reference is:
"While [it] is possible to apply de-interlacing algorithms to progressive streams using the techniques outlined in the VDPAU documentation, NVIDIA does not recommend doing so. One is likely to introduce more artifacts due to the inverse telecine process than are removed by detection of bad edits etc."
So maybe it's trying to do spatial temporal de-interlacing when it doesn't need to (I once wrote software to do spatial temporal de-interlacing for a thermal camera, and you don't want that to be turned on when it's not supposed to be turned on). It mentions the de-interlacing in connection with a video mixer feature. So that's another possibility.
Anyway, that should keep you busy, if you want to fix it. ;-) Good luck!

NTSC to PAL Compression for DVD Studio Pro

I am trying to make PAL MPEG2s using Compressor. My videos are roughly 15 minutes long (I have 6 going onto one DVD). I altered one of the Presets to PAL, 16x9, one pass VBR, 4.5 to 7 data rate, best for the motion setting. And I get the typical odd chunky feeling during motion within the frame. Meaning frames look removed (or added) during movement. I looked at it not only on my MAC but on a PAL DVD routed to a true PAL monitor.
Any advice for settings I should try? I have two tests rendering - I moved up to 2 pass VBR, 5-8 data rates, better motion and best motion. I should be able to look at them this evening; but from the folks I talked to, I'm not hopeful. Has anyone figured a way to make PAL MPEG2s look good short of having PAL masters made and a large Post house do the files on their very expensive equipment?
Thanks,
Cindy S.

What version of Compressor are you using? Compressor 2 has frame rate conversion settings under the Frame Controls tab (offering various levels of quality).
In any case, you might want to try the freeware utility JES Deinterlacer since it supports fairly good NTSC to PAL conversion using either frame blending or a form of inverse telecine (to convert from NTSC's 29.97fps to PAL's 25fps). If you're using Compressor 1.X then this may be your best option unless you are willing to spend some money on an alternative, third-party solution.
You can download JES Deinterlacer from VersionTracker.com -- it comes with instructions.<small><hr width="75%"><small>If this suggestion helps in any way, a confirmation or acknowledgment would be appreciated, since that would also help others who may be having the same difficulty. Do for others as you would have them help you.<center>Thanks for sharing, Waymen.</center></small>

How to get proper 23.976 footage from PF24

Hello,
I have a Canon HF M300 which uses AVCHD. In the preferences of Log and Transfer there is a box checked off that says "remove advanced pulldown and duplicate frames". Do I need to do anything else to this PF24 footage if that is checked? Do I need to uncheck this with my 60i footage?
I read about pulldown removal everywhere and I used Cinetools to do it and then put that on a 23.976 timeline, I also put the same clip in the timeline without doing anything after log and transfer and I cannot see a difference. The only difference I see is that the new clip actually says 23.98 in the clip info while the other still says 29.97.
Also, when I change my sequence settings to what I think matches the clip, it always says sequence settings don't match clip settings when I import the clip. I cannot see any difference in the sequence settings and clip settings though. When I say yes and change it, I see weird artifacts once in a while, and when I don't change it, it seems fine. Does this mean anything is wrong?
Thanks,
D

Okay, so strike my wondering about having 24 fps footage on the memory card.
Looking back at your original post, it sounds like you're seeing exactly what you should be seeing.
In PF24 mode, your camera is seeing 24 frames per second, but doing an internal 3:2 pulldown conversion from 24 to 60i (a.k.a. 29.97) as it writes the video file to the memory card. As such, all files recorded in this mode would show a frame rate of 29.97 (however, it could be noted as 29.97, 59.94, 30i, or 60i depending on which application you're in). Since your footage that's running at 29.97 has been pulled down from 24 fps, you can remove the 3:2 pulldown (however, this can be referred to as "pull it back up" or "inverse telecine"). Think of "pulldown" as pulling progressive frames down to interlaced fields. And, if your interlaced fields contain pulldown, you can think of "pull up" as pulling interlaced fields with 3:2 pulldown up to progressive frames. While this might sound like the craziest thing on earth, it's served the film industry well for decades ever since the introduction of video.
Simply put, your camera original clips should show a frame rate of 29.97.
If you remove the 3:2 pulldown, your converted files should show 23.98 (23.976 rounded up).
As far as the message from Final Cut Pro about the source clip not matching the Sequence settings, the easiest way to modify your Sequence settings is to click "Yes" when this dialog box appears. Most likely, you're just dealing with a frame rate difference in this case (i.e. your footage is running at 23.98 while your Sequence is running at 29.97).
If you're going to remove the 3:2 pulldown, you need to do it before you start editing. An edited 60i master based on 60i 3:2 pulldown source will not pull up cleanly due to the the mixed cadence that's inherently a result of having been editing this type of video (phew, say that five times fast). Cadence refers to the 3:2 pulldown pattern that was used. It's consistent from the head to tail of any clip that was recorded continuously. If you create an edit, then you shift that cadence pattern temporally.
-Warren

59.94i exporting as 23.976 - without duplicating frames???

Dear those in the know. I am about to obtain some master tapes in the HD 59.94i format, I will be importing via the blackmagic 3D extreme deck into FCP, with a HD cam deck. I will need to prepare files for several digital platforms which accept these follwing specs...
23.976, 24, 25, 29.97 frame rates are supported
Native frame rate of original source
29.97 interlaced frames per second video source can be delivered either interlaced or de-interlaced properly tagged as progressive
24 and 25 frames per second must be delivered progressive
23.976 frames per second for inverse telecine must be delivered progressive; must not be delivered interlaced or delivery will fail.
What do I convert the 59.94i into? without creating a duplicating or blended frame....
any help would be greatly appreciated.
we also have Episode 6 Pro in addition to compresser.

59.94i runs at 29.97fps. The "i" means INTERLACED...and that means FIELDS per second. 2 fields per frame. So 30fps.
The footage is 29.97.

Why Does Premiere CS6 Output 29.97fps when Encoding to 23.976 fps?

My project is XDCam EX, 23.976 fps. I exported to DVD MPEG and both VLC and Windows Explorer details report 29.97fps file format.
I downloaded the latest updates two days ago. Just wondering why the encoder refuses to leave 23.976fps footage and project alone and convert it to 29.97? Render settings are clearly 23.976fps. Bug?

i didn't read the forum i linked, so yes, i was wrong in the way adobe converts it to 29.97, pulldown vs added frame. the output file will be reported as 29.97, but mediainfo can see the flags and reports it as 23.976 with 2:3 pulldown. when i look at the .m2v file from premiere, frame by frame i can see the two interlaced frames from pulldown. so are those true interlaced frames or does the media player program generate those interlaced frames as a result of the flag telling it to?
Telecine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Wiki:
Reverse telecine (a.k.a. inverse telecine (IVTC), reverse pulldown)
Some DVD players, line doublers, and personal video recorders are designed to detect and remove 2:3 pulldown from telecined video sources, thereby reconstructing the original 24 frame/s film frames. This technique is known as “reverse” or “inverse” telecine. Benefits of reverse telecine include high-quality non-interlaced display on compatible display devices and the elimination of redundant data for compression purposes.
my understanding is the interlaced frames are real. it is 29.97fps, with 2 of 5 as interlaced. the reverse pulldown reconstructs a single frame from the two interlaced, dropping the fps to the original 24p. is this not the case with adobe's pulldown?
media player:
Video: MPEG2 Video 720x480 29.97fps 7000kbps [Video]
Audio: PCM 48000Hz stereo 1536kbps [A: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, 2 channels, s16, 1536 kb/s]
mediainfo:
Frame rate
: 23.976 fps
Standard
: NTSC
Color space
: YUV
Chroma subsampling
: 4:2:0
Bit depth
: 8 bits
Scan type
: Progressive
Scan order
: 2:3 Pulldown

Support for 2PC using RPC

Hi There!
I am using RPC to group multiple DML to a particular database instead of multiple database trips.Does calls to various RPC's from one BEGIN END block from local database will gurantee the two phase commit??
regards.
Sanjeeb Bose
HCL Infosystems Ltd
Kolkata
India.

Lancen,
Did you download the latest nVidia ForceWare Drivers?
ForceWare Release 80
Version: 84.25
Release Date: April 14, 2006
From what I see:
Quote
General compatibility fixes
Adds support for GeForce 7900 GTX, GeForce 7900 GT, GeForce 7600 GT, GeForce 7300 LE, and GeForce 7300 GS
New NVIDIA PureVideo features and enhancements. Please visit the NVIDIA PureVideo website for more information on PureVideo technology and system requirements
Support for high definition H.264 hardware decode acceleration on GeForce 6 and 7 series GPUs
Support for high definition MPEG-2 inverse telecine
Support for high definition MPEG-2 spatial temporal de-interlacing
Adds mixed vendor support for NVIDIA SLI.
TV-Out/HD-out support for NVIDIA SLI.
Added support for VSync on Direct3D games when running NVIDIA SLI.
Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0c and OpenGL® 2.0 support
For a full list of fixed and known issues please view the Release Notes
Take Care,
Richard

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