Invoking script using smart object layer - fails in Windows

I have recently encountered in what seems to be a bug in Configurator in Windows. The same example works on a Mac.
The scenario is the following: a document with a smart object layer on top.
A configurator button executes the script app.activeDocument.activeLayer.resize(133.33333, 133.33333, AnchorPosition.MIDDLECENTER);
This causes an error message as below:
If I instead invoke the script manually, using File > Scripts > Browse... it works fine.
The button works fine if the smart object is rasterized.
I'm running Configurator 2 (052610), CS5 and Windows XP. Any help is greatly appreciated!

In sure if this is all you need to correct the error but the function below will return the active smart object contents type.
// returns either "vectorData" ( AI ) or "rasterizeContent" ( PS or ACR ) if smart cbject layer
// or undefined if not smart object layer
function getSmartObjectType(){
    var ref = new ActionReference();
    ref.putEnumerated( charIDToTypeID('Lyr '), charIDToTypeID('Ordn'), charIDToTypeID('Trgt') );
    var desc = executeActionGet(ref);
    if(desc.hasKey(stringIDToTypeID('smartObject'))){// is smart object?
        var desc = executeActionGet(ref).getObjectValue(stringIDToTypeID('smartObject')).getEnumerationValue(stringIDToTypeID('placed'));
        return typeIDToStringID(desc);

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