JAVA, JAVA WEB dynpro and possibility of JAVA workflow

Hi all
Just a take here -- I'm just getting some feelers on the way WF SHOULD be going in future.
Since starting to use the JAVA WD system and netweaver developer studio it seems that having to encapsulate a lot of NEW Workflows as ABAP objects is going "Backwards". (Note I said NEW not EXISTING applications)
I understand that some compatability with existing systems needs to be maintained but if your user is doing all his applications from a Portal you really need the WF's to be triggered from the portal via say WEB SERVICES.
I find I'm actually using the older ERP / ECC 6.0 R/3 systems these days purely as DATA repositories and from a JAVA program can often retrieve the data via standard BAPI's and RFC calls in a JAVA or Portal application.
Isn't it about time that the workflow system as a whole was made much more JAVA and PORTAL friendly --since this is where more and more people are doing their developments from.
Since switching more or less full time over to JAVA WEB DYNPRO developments the whole development time is completed MUCH QUICKER and with many many less mistakes.
ABAP Web dynpro is also OK but it's still a little bit of a nightmare compared with JAVA when you need a lot of WEB SERVICES.
Some WF's obviously will need to remain ABAP based but newer custom WF's IMO should be WEB DYNPRO and WEB SERVICE based.
I can't think of too many large organisations who aren't making more and more use of Portals these days -- so C'mon SAP -- provide some proper Web hooks into WF's instead of us having to go through hoops and rings of writing LAST CENTURY's code to get stuff to work through a Portal.
Cheers
jimbo

Hi,
Have you checked the new BPM tool that SAP is offering? I think that it is definately a big step into to the drection that you are describing. I haven't really checked all its features and the technology that is is based on, so I am not the biggest expert of this matter.
Check for example this article to get an overview: http://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/b06c49b2-ac63-2c10-3d8d-d17b817ba4ca?quicklink=nw-bpm&overridelayout=true
Of course it will be a long road before this new tool will (if it will ever) replace the old ABAP based workflow engine.
I wouldn't totally agree with all the points that you presented (ABAP WD being a nighmare, etc.). Actually I think that the direction (at least in some parts) is the opposite. For example SAP seem to have replaced their "old" travel management applications (Java WD) with new ABAP WD applications, so I see that they believe more in ABAP than Java (of course there might be some financial & other reasons behind this also.). In my opinion WDA has so many advantages compared to WDJ, that I would consider carefully the options when choosing the technology (the possible better(?) compatibilitly with web services might be one of the reasons).
Regards,
Karri

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