Java Web Start issue

Hi,
since we deploy JRE using Software distribution in Active Directory, the msi file provided with the Java installation is not well usable. Not sure, if it is still the case, that triggering the msi file a second time after successfull installation destroys the exisiting Java installation.
So I have built my own msi file for internal deployment using Advanced Installer. Finally all seemed to work (had some intermediate issues with outdated keys in HKCU), but now a new corporate application arrived, which creates a Java Web Start shortcut on the desktop. This shortcut fails to start with the error "Can not find message file".
Not very helpful. I found out, that the shortcut points to the javaws.exe in system32 folder (if I create the shortcut with the Cache Viewer, the same happens). And this javaws.exe file is also bringing up this message if double clicking. If I manually alter the shortcut to point to Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\javaws.exe, the application launches.
So there must be something wrong in my package with the javaws.exe in the Windows system folder. But what? I compared already several registry keys with a non corporate machine, on which I installed from download, and here it functions well, but could not find any visible differences.
Would be nice, if somebody could point me to either a way to fix the javaws.exe file in system32 (without using the downloaded Java installer, which cannot be deployed) or default created shortcuts to point to Program Files\Java instead of Windows\system32.
Thanks and best greetings from Germany
Olaf

907297 wrote:
Hi and thanks for the answer.
That is my guess as well. As mentioned I already tried to compare the registry keys related to javaws on two machines and found no visible differences, which would explain, why this functions on one and not on the other. But maybe I simply did not stumble over the needed key.I wonder if there is a way to sniff out which registry keys a native application is referencing. That could also provide some clues into which keys need to be cleaned up to fix a broken JDK installation, which too many people are suffering from.

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    Results were:
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    For 2: I did install Firefox in a machine and the application still crashed, but it is true I did not uninstall IE6, so the conflictive Jscript.dll was still sitting at system32. Quite possibly the crash would not happen if that dll wasn't there at all.
    Thanks
    Jes�s

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