JDdeveloper and Oracle Designer

JDdeveloper and Oracle Designer
How does Oracle (and the Oracle community) see the future or of model driven application development and the integration of upper CASE (early SDLC) and lower CASE (late SDLC) tools?
How about a code generator for Designer that generates from old meta-data in the Designer repository into ADF? That will mean that we have the best of both worlds Designer for enterprise modeling and JDeveloper / ADF for the coding end of the stick?
We have guys here that developed a very nifty PL/SQL code generator on top of a PL/SQL version of the Servlet APIs (that I developed) and this thing generates normal business applications (with very cool master detail, state and session handling) faster than anything I have ever seen. I am trying to convince them to go Java, but with the learning curve and complexity, how? I enjoy Java as a programming language immensely, but as a tool for developing transactional business applications in your average medium sized corporate development shop, it seems like we stepped 10 years back.
Developer productivity is much, much higher using Designer, Headstart and Forms. Given, one can develop such cool user interfaces with clever DHTML, but it turns into an endless quagmire of Java Script debugging.
Where too now? Is IBM and rational perhaps the way to go, .NET, or Sun and JSF? Jdeveloper?
We currently have a home grown network with much declarative features but we dont have the time to write tools for it. Its very powerful but sooo hard to use.
Hi ho, Hi ho, its off to work I go, I go, I go, I go. In the end we are simply storing and retrieving data, with a bit of massaging here and there. Why must it be so complex?
I would love to hear some comments.
How many of you have got your own code generators etc to help cope with the load. I am talking about regular transactional business applications built on data models containing tables that number in the 100s.
Someone who loves solving business problems - with technology the evil necessity.

Check out the end of the JDeveloper demo page to see several demos showing how-to generate ADF from Designer.
http://otn.oracle.com/products/jdev/viewlets/viewlet.html
If you like Headstart - you'll probably like JHeadstart that comes from the same guys - http://otn.oracle.com/consulting/9iServices/JHeadstart2.html

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Your right!!
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Dirk
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Crystal Report and Oracle SDO_GEOMETRY

Hi,
 
 
I'm using Crystal Reports for Eclipse version 2.0.4.r825 with Eclipse 3.5 and Oracle 11g as database. I configured the database connection using ojdbc14.jar. Some of the tables i want to use in the report contains columns using the SDO_GEOMETRY data type and if i try to drag this table in the data tab of the report i get the following "Unexpected ValueType" error:
 
 
com.crystaldecisions.sdk.occa.report.lib.ReportSDKException: Could not Add Object.
Unexpected ValueType: ValueType=[255]---- Error code:-2147215362 Error code name:unknownError
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 at com.businessobjects.reports.sdk.JRCCommunicationAdapter$2.a(SourceFile:529)
 
 
I tried the same with the Crystal Reports 2008 trial version and i'm having the same problem.
 
 
I don't wanna use the geometry column in my report but because of this error i can't use the whole table. Is there a way to avoid this error and still use the other columns of the table. Or maybe there is another way to connect to an Oracle database which can handle this special data type.
 
 
Thanks in advance,
 
 
Jens Keller

Hi Jens,
Views would work also as you noted.
No, if DB manufacturers change/update their Servers/clients they need to follow ANSII 92 standards. If they don't return the correct data type then CR will not "hack" our drivers to fix their issues. We did that for years and was a code nightmare, when they got around to fixing the problem it broke CR again. We decided to follow the standards, it may be our issue sometimes but in this case unique data types typically are not supported by CR. If you want support and it's not a client issue then add your request to the Enhancement Request2 post.
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Please clarify my below query,
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Regards
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@Erik
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@Bala
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