JRE or SDK install problem - installing in non-std dir

I'm encountering a problem trying to install either the JRE or SDK into a non-standard directory (one that's not the default of c:\j2sdk1.4.2_01 or what have you). This is occuring with both 1.4.2_01 and 1.4.2_02.
In this case, I'm trying to install it in a directory similar to c:\progra~1\compan~1\produc~1\jre. (Short names b/c I can't figure out how to do long paths silently, but that's a whole different issue).
The install nears the end and then presents the user with a "Java(TM) Update (1.4.2_01-b06) cannot be installed on this machine because the Java(TM) Virtual Machine is currently running. Please close all running Java(TM) applications, especially browsers. [RETRY] [CANCEL]" message.
There's definitely not a JVM running at the moment. If I click Cancel, the install finishes up and there is a workable install there. But why the prompt? Since this is a silent install within another install, it will cause concern for my customers.
The last few lines of my setup file:
Action start 19:16:59: removesdkpackfiles.
Action ended 19:17:00: removesdkpackfiles. Return value 1.
Action start 19:17:00: unzipdemos.
Action ended 19:17:15: unzipdemos. Return value 1.
Action start 19:17:15: copysrczip.
Action ended 19:17:19: copysrczip. Return value 1.
Action start 19:17:19: patchsdk.
Error 1722.There is a problem with this Windows Installer package. A program run as part of the setup did not finish as expected. Contact your support personnel or package vendor. Action patchsdk, location: C:\Program Files\Common Files\Java\Update\Base Images\j2sdk1.4.2-b28\patch-j2sdk1.4.2_02-b03\patchsdk.exe, command: -s "C:\PROGRA~1\COMPAN~1\PRODUC~1\jre\"
Action ended 19:17:35: patchsdk. Return value 3.
Action ended 19:17:35: INSTALL. Return value 3.
=== Logging stopped: 10/23/2003 19:17:35 ===
The command line to kick off the install:
j2sdk-1_4_2_02-windows-i586-p.exe /s /v\"/qn ADDLOCAL=ALL IEXPLORER=1 INSTALLDIR=c:\progra~1\compan~1\produc~1\jre /L \jresetup.log"
Has anyone encountered this? I've narrowed it down to the fact that it's an install into a directory that's not the default. If I run the install without specifying the INSTALLDIR, everything works fine. Help is appreciated!

See the original posting and comments in http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jsp?forum=14&thread=462167 and the bug http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4953793.html
Rebooting has no effect whatsoever on this problem; even if you can now get the SDK installed, a non-administrative account won't be able to use the JRE in it, nor will the user be able to use the other JRE installed in the default location.

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