KDE/Gnome interference

Although the problem is there already a long time, only recently it really has started to bug me.
I run a KDE4 desktop environment, but I still heavily depend on GTK and Gnome applications.
I've also grown quite fond of the possibilities of the composite systems.
However there seem to be quite some glitches.
Examples:
VLC toggles Fullscreen: Flashes of the Gnome wallpaper will appear.
After starting a gnome program, the kmix interface is replaced by the gnome volume images (when using the keys on my keyboard)
When plug in of a new USB-disk both the Gnome system and the KDE pop-ups will appear.
All these things are accumulating
And I wonder whether there is a way to keep both systems separated?

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KDE / gnome hang while starting

Hi,
well, KDE and Gnome hang while starting them, when I change back to console, I can read the following:
xset: bad font path element (#63), possible causes are:
Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions
Directory missing fonts.dir
Incorrect font server address or syntax
I reinstalled xorg, kde, gnome, but again it simply hangs, xorg starts up normally, but when changing to kde or gnome it hangs
xfce4, wmi, dr17 run well.
I didn change any config filel...
So any idea what could be wrong ?
thanks
Kin
PS.: Is there a possiblility to let pacman reinstall ALL packages that are already installed ?

rebuild of kdebase didn't change anything. Running kbuildsycoca with new user from xfce first gives:
[temp@nightfrost ~] kbuildsycoca
Warning: kbuildsycoca is unable to register with DCOP.
kbuildsycoca running...
Creating link /home/temp/.kde/socket-nightfrost.
Created link from "/home/temp/.kde/socket-nightfrost" to "/tmp/ksocket-temp"
After taking forever, I pressed ctrl-C, after a couple of minutes, this was spat out in xterm
Warning: kbuildsycoca is unable to register with DCOP.
kbuildsycoca running...
kdeinit: Shutting down running client.
DCOP aborting (delayed) call from 'kded' to 'klauncher'
After that I tried to run kbuildsycoca again, and this is the result of that:
[temp@nightfrost ~]$ kbuildsycoca
kbuildsycoca running...
Reusing existing ksycoca
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/opt/kde/share/applications/kde/kpovmodeler.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'KPovModeler/Document'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/opt/kde/share/applications/kde/kvoctrain.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/x-kvoctrain'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/opt/kde/share/applications/kde/kvoctrain.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-kvtml'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/opt/kde/share/applications/kde/amarok.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'audio/x-sid'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/opt/kde/share/applications/kde/kuickshow.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'image/x-psd'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/opt/kde/share/applications/kde/kuickshow.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'image/x-eim'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/english'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/mathml'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/richtext'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/tab-separated-values'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-authors'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-c'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-c++'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-comma-separated-values'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-copying'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-credits'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-csh'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-dcl'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-dsl'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-dtd'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-emacs-lisp'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-fortran'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-gtkrc'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-idl'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-install'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-perl'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-python'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-readme'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-scheme'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-setext'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-sh'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'vimpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-sql'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'kcertpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/binary-certificate'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/opt/kde/share/applications/kde/kmid.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'audio/midi'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/base.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.database'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/base.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/vnd.sun.xml.base'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/math.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/vnd.sun.xml.math'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/opt/kde/share/applications/kde/kolourpaint.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'image/x-psd'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'katepart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-fortran'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'knotify.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'KNotify'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'gvimagepart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'image/x-krl'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/writer.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text-web'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/writer.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text-master'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/writer.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/vnd.sun.xml.writer.global'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/writer.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/x-doc'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/writer.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/vnd.wordperfect'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/impress.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/vnd.ms-powerpoint'

How to install kde/gnome desktop in arch linux?

I tried with installing pacman -S xorg-server and xorg-apps then
i have given installation for kde and gnome using pacman -Sy kde kdm xorg-xinit dbus gnome gnome-extra.
But it is asking me to replace some softwares..
At the end after downloading
while commit transaction it's showing some errors like
/lib exists in filesystem
/usr/bin/tzselect exists in filesystem
/bin/kill
/etc/pam.d/chfn exist in filesystem
/usr/share/man/man1/...
So i tried with Syuf still getting error.
From wiki i have seen installing glibc
using pacman -U http://pkgbuild.com/~allan/glibc-2.16.0 … pkg.tar.xz
pacman -Syu --ignore glibc
pacman -Su
mkinitcpio -p linux
pacman -Sd gcc gcc-libs
After some sort of commands i lost my script commands like poweroff, reboot....it's showing /sbin/init not exist...
Then when my computer starts it is not booting...
What all i want to do is getting an UI with dbus and xorg..
Today i have started archlinux...
Please help

Is it a stable one?..
We are planning to switch everything from Ubuntu to ArchlInux
One more question..Is it mandatory to install xorg and dbus before installing any kde or gnome UI?
I have this doubt because when i install xorg-server and xorg-apps.(first pacman installation)..it's showing for pacman update i gave no..then it is saying like replacing some of the packages with another one?
This is a problem with my installation..or will it be fixed if i moved to latest one?
Thanks in Advance
varghese

Kde / gnome widgets?

Hello guys,
I recently started using arch linux and tested out both, gnome and kde. So, I found out, I'd really prefer using gnome since it's fabulous, however I really miss these widgets things, now the deskop is just a picture and "useless".
So is there anything for gnome like the plasmoids for kde?
Sincerly
Blubbb

mariusmeyer wrote:This link has an OK description of what you can do. On gnome 3.x the most commonly used place to get add-ons is here AFAIK
Thank you for the link, awesome collection

Help with kde/gnome

hello everyone .. I have just install arch linux ( installed all packages on cd )
and now im stuck with runlevel4 .. I tried to startx but that brings me into a version ugly graphical desktop . I guess my real question is . How do I get KDE or Gnome running ?

sysboy wrote:
hey scarecrow where and how can I get 3.4.2 on my system
pacman im guess ???
Simply edit /etc/pacman.conf and uncomment the lines related to "testing".
After that, "telinit 3" (as root), login as root, and "pacman -Syu" (or maybe "pacman -Sy kde", as the previous command will also fetch you the new xorg version from testing, which seems being OK, but I'm not 100% sure....)
This should effortlessly upgrade you to 3.4.2 (after some time, of course!).
To avoid nasties, get sure that NO external kde apps are installed (else uninstall them BEFORE the upgrade and recompile them after the upgrade...), and for safety rename your old .kde user (hidden) directory to something else (in case that some useful data were stored there- else simply delete it before logging to KDE again).
The biggest worry with KDE 3.4.2 is that it also brings gcc 4.0.1 with it, which still has some quirks (maybe this is the sole reason it's still at "testing"), but IMO we all should get accustomed to it- sooner rather than later...

KDE/GNOME menus

What is the usual/preferred method of getting icons in to GNOME and KDE menus? Is there a standard location? Are there any helper programs or will stuffing a .desktop file somewhere just work?

iphitus wrote:But this isnt reccomended when distributing .desktop files, as other users may well want to see those options in their menu.
Sure, I was simply under the impression we were speaking about a user's individual desktop environment and their desire to make user specific changes, not global or packaging alterations. When I make Slackpacks I never presume to speak for the user, and so after providing the desktop file (if needed) I let them decide whether or not to narrow its menu usage.

KDE & Gnome Intergration

Since am an ex-mac user i wondering if kde or gnome can do the following thing
1 Does kde address book intergrate with konquer am used to safari auto filling stuff from my address book
if this could also be done on gnome i like to know
2. being an old aduim user am used to it being able to change there user name to the full name if there user name was in the address book anything capable of this thanx
Last edited by littleb2005 (2008-09-06 02:29:07)

I know 1 doesn't work, but it sounds like a nice feature which would be rather easy to write in KDE 4. Here's a feature request for it, as I think it makes sense.
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170676
2: This might work in KDE, at least konversation and kopete work with the adressbook in KDE 3. Not sure how far KDE 4 is in this regard, this is often the kind of things still not done (but easy to do, so it'll probably come soon).

KDM refuses to log me in - but KDE/GNOME works fine with startx

I just updated to the newest kernel and another ~150 packages and I have a little bug!
Basically KDM starts fine, (i use the innitab method) - I log in and then black screen and straight back to KDM.
Using startx and the appropriate entry in xinitrc I can boot gnome or kde fine.
Anyone have any Idea? I'm lost.

this kdm.log -> Note that your system (i.e., not from libraries daemon.* syslog facility; file(s) it is logged. This is a pre-release It is not supported in any way. Bugs may be filed in Select the "xorg" Before reporting bugs latest version in the See http://wiki.x.org/wiki/GitPage X.Org X Server 1.6.3.901 Release Date: 2009-8-25 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: Current Operating System: Build Date: 04 September 2009 Before reporting to make sure Markers: (--) probed, (++) from command (WW) warning, (==) Log file: "/var/lo (==) Using config file: (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] [dri] Disabling DRI. XRANDR name: DVI-1 Connector: DVI-I CRT2: INTERNAL_KLDSCP_DAC2 DFP1: INTERNAL_UNIPHY DDC reg: 0x7e60 XRANDR name: DVI-0 Connector: DVI-I CRT1: INTERNAL_KLDSCP_DAC1 DFP2: INTERNAL_KLDSCP_LVTMA DDC reg: 0x7e20 Dac detection success Unhandled monitor type 0 finished output detect: 0 finished output detect: 1 finished all detect before xf86InitialConfiguration Dac detection success Unhandled monitor type 0 after xf86InitialConfiguration Output DIG0 transmitter setup success Blank CRTC 0 success Disable CRTC 0 success Disable CRTC memreq 0 success Blank CRTC 1 success Disable CRTC 1 success Disable CRTC memreq 1 success mc fb loc is 010f00d0 (EE) RADEON(0): Acceleration Output DIG0 transmitter setup success Blank CRTC 0 success Disable CRTC 0 success Disable CRTC memreq 0 success Blank CRTC 1 success Disable CRTC 1 success Disable CRTC memreq 1 success Output DIG0 transmitter setup success Blank CRTC 0 success Disable CRTC 0 success Disable CRTC memreq 0 success Mode 1680x1050 - 2240 1089 6 freq: 146250000 best_freq: 146250000 best_feedback_div: 117 best_ref_div: 10 best_post_div: 8 Set CRTC 0 PLL success Set CRTC Timing success Set CRTC 0 Overscan success Not using RMX scaler 0 setup success Set CRTC 0 Source success crtc 0 YUV disable setup success Output DIG0 transmitter setup success Output DIG2 encoder setup success Output DIG2 encoder setup success Output DIG0 transmitter setup success Output DIG0 transmitter setup success Output DIG0 transmitter setup success Enable CRTC memreq 0 success Enable CRTC 0 success Unblank CRTC 0 success Blank CRTC 1 success Disable CRTC 1 success Disable CRTC memreq 1 success Output DIG0 transmitter setup success Blank CRTC 0 success Disable CRTC 0 success Disable CRTC memreq 0 success Mode 1680x1050 - 2240 1089 6 freq: 146250000 best_freq: 146250000 best_feedback_div: 117 best_ref_div: 10 best_post_div: 8 Set CRTC 0 PLL success Set CRTC Timing success Set CRTC 0 Overscan success Not using RMX scaler 0 setup success Set CRTC 0 Source success crtc 0 YUV disable setup success Output DIG0 transmitter setup success Output DIG2 encoder setup success Output DIG2 encoder setup success Output DIG0 transmitter setup success Output DIG0 transmitter setup success Output DIG0 transmitter setup success Enable CRTC memreq 0 success Enable CRTC 0 success Unblank CRTC 0 success Output DIG0 transmitter setup success Blank CRTC 0 success Disable CRTC 0 success Disable CRTC memreq 0 success Blank CRTC 1 success Disable CRTC 1 success Disable CRTC memreq 1 success Enable CRTC memreq 0 success Enable CRTC 0 success Unblank CRTC 0 success error setting MTRR Output DIG0 transmitter setup success Blank CRTC 0 success Disable CRTC 0 success Disable CRTC memreq 0 success Blank CRTC 1 success Disable CRTC 1 success Disable CRTC memreq 1 success mc fb loc is 010f00d0 (EE) RADEON(0): Acceleration Output DIG0 transmitter setup success Blank CRTC 0 success Disable CRTC 0 success Disable CRTC memreq 0 success Blank CRTC 1 success Disable CRTC 1 success Disable CRTC memreq 1 success Output DIG0 transmitter setup success Blank CRTC 0 success Disable CRTC 0 success Disable CRTC memreq 0 success Mode 1680x1050 - 2240 1089 6 freq: 146250000 best_freq: 146250000 best_feedback_div: 117 best_ref_div: 10 best_post_div: 8 Set CRTC 0 PLL success Set CRTC Timing success Set CRTC 0 Overscan success Not using RMX scaler 0 setup success Set CRTC 0 Source success crtc 0 YUV disable setup success Output DIG0 transmitter setup success Output DIG2 encoder setup success Output DIG2 encoder setup success Output DIG0 transmitter setup success Output DIG0 transmitter setup success Output DIG0 transmitter setup success Enable CRTC memreq 0 success
Enable CRTC 0 success
Unblank CRTC 0 success
Blank CRTC 1 success
Disable CRTC 1 success
Disable CRTC memreq 1 success
Output DIG0 transmitter Blank CRTC 0 success
Disable CRTC 0 success
Disable CRTC memreq 0 success
Mode 1680x1050 - 2240 1089 6
freq: 146250000
best_freq: 146250000
best_feedback_div: 117
best_ref_div: 10
best_post_div: 8
Set CRTC 0 PLL success
Set CRTC Timing success
Set CRTC 0 Overscan success
Not using RMX
scaler 0 setup success
Set CRTC 0 Source success
crtc 0 YUV disable setup success
Output DIG0 transmitter Output DIG2 encoder setup success
Output DIG2 encoder setup success
Output DIG0 transmitter Output DIG0 transmitter Output DIG0 transmitter Enable CRTC memreq 0 success
Enable CRTC 0 success
Unblank CRTC 0 success
(EE) XKB: No components [config/dbus] couldn't Output DIG0 transmitter Blank CRTC 0 success
Disable CRTC 0 success
Disable CRTC memreq 0 success
Blank CRTC 1 success
Disable CRTC 1 success
Disable CRTC memreq 1 success
Enable CRTC memreq 0 success
Enable CRTC 0 success
Unblank CRTC 0 success
KCrash: Application QThread::wait: Thread QThread: Destroyed error setting MTRR drkonqi: cannot connect Last edited by I moved the old log out of the way so this is fresh. I did an init 5, logged in with kdm, waited for it to black screen then restart and then copied the log over.
uses syslog. All of kdm's internally generated messages
and external programs/scripts it uses) go to the
check your syslog configuration to find out to which
PAM logs messages related to authentication to authpriv.*.
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the bugzilla at http://bugs.freedesktop.org/.
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in pre-release versions please check the
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Linux 2.6.30-ARCH x86_64
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problems, check http://wiki.x.org
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(**) from config file, (==) default setting,
line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
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"/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
RADEONDRIGetVersion failed to open the DRM

initialization failed

(base = 0xd0000000, size = 0x10000000, type = 1) Invalid argument (22)

initialization failed

setup success
setup success
setup success
setup success
setup success
provided for device Virtual core keyboard
register object path
setup success
'kdmgreet' crashing...
tried to wait on itself
while thread is still running
(base = 0xd0000000, size = 0x10000000, type = 1) Invalid argument (22)
to X server :0.0
brendan (2009-10-14 21:21:05)

Temperature threshold event (without kde/gnome)?

Hi all,
with all those approaches around (powersave, pm-utils, hibernate-script, laptop-mode, cpufreqd, cpufrequtils and so on), I am now utterly confused. However, I suspect I have a somewhat sound setup. Because I had problems in the past with the CPU getting too hot, I have set it to its lowest frequency, powersave governor, almost everywhere I could. Now I'm getting a bit more courageous (and tired of the CPU being used only with some 40% of its power), and I am about to reboot with a few settings changed to ondemand. Now to make sure nothing bad happens, I would like to start passive cooling when a certain temperature threshold is reached, i.e. I want to revert to governor powersave based on that event. But how would I go about generating such an event? Probably something with hald?
TIA,
Andreas

Solved! But how
udisks/udisks2 requires CONFIG_SWAP to be enabled in the kernel!
I can't imagine why this kernel option is required by udisks now. Personally I can't see any obvious reason, there is no sense.
I will try to contact the developers. Because I can't imagine why SWAP is required.

Dbus update broke kde, gnome, pulseaudio, others

Ever since updating to core/dbus from dbus-core, my desktop environments and various programs are broken. I have a variety of logs that people on IRC asked for. It's not impossible that some ancient etc file was updated wrong and it's my fault, but I don't know where to look or what to do.
kdm.log
https://gist.github.com/4219757
Xorg.0.log
https://gist.github.com/4219724
pgrep -al dbus-daemon
https://gist.github.com/4220025
journalctl
https://gist.github.com/4220000
https://gist.github.com/4220025
pgrep -al dbus-daemon
I'm on IRC also, same username in #archlinux, feel free to message there for more details or I'll try to refresh this as I search around... Thanks for the help.

Okay, found the issue and reported it on AUR... a script called 'sixad-dbus-blocker' in the qtsixa package was breaking it. Disabling it fixed everything. Link to package in AUR just in case anyone else runs into this issue:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/qtsixa/

Non-Latin characters in Sylpheed's subject when in gnome/kde

So, this is curious and i'm not expecting an answer, but anyway i post it:
Sylpheed 0.9.5 [simple, not claws], works ok when opened in fluxbox or window maker; but when opened in gnome or kde, following curious behaviour shows: in the "Subject" field, when I switch over to greek keyboard layout, it doesn't show greek characters but some not identified encoding, probably iso8859-2 or so. This is mirrored everywhere where "Subject" field shows [ie in the headers on top of the message]. But then, if i type some greek characters in "Subject" field (which show weird there) and then copy-paste them in the message body (when composing a message), then they show allright as the greek characters i intended to type. In the message body everything shows as it should be, ie greek, there's no problem there or when composing a message, only the subject (and only in kde & gnome). Needless to say that this "subject" encoding behaviour also shows in message list, so most messages of mine cannot be identified via message list in sylpheed.
Every locale setting in Arch is correct, so please don't focus there. This doesn't happen in slackware 9.0 or 9.1 or in debian sid, so it's probably either a gnome/kde problem or a sylpheed problem.
I'm interested to know if there's someone else facing the same problem with sylpheed in arch [and probably with gtk+1.2 apps]. By this i don't neccessarily mean with greek but say with cyrillic or some other character set and encoding.
So, this is it. Any clues?

The funny thing is that bold font [when message unread in message list] shows OK, ie in greek, but when i click on unread message, it is assumed to have been read, so it changes over to medium [non bold] and the encoding changes as well into the one that is not greek and thus unreadable. In ~/.sylpheed/sylpheedrc the fonts are:
widget_font=
message_font=-microsoft-sylfaenarm-medium-r-normal-*-*-160-*-*-p-*-iso8859-7
normal_font=-monotype-arial-medium-r-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-7
bold_font=-monotype-arial-bold-r-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-7
small_font=-monotype-arial-medium-r-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-7
In /etc/gtk, for gtk1.2 apps the file refering to greek encoding [el] seems to be fine [exactly the same as in slackware 9.1].

Two quick gnome and KDE questions

i dig gnome, wife and kids dig KDE we as a group only use one user account.
so heres the deal...
when i make a change to the KDE desktop ( different icons, device, etc..) it effects gnome also. is there a way i can seperate their config files so that whatever i do to one does not effect the other ?
other question : i know that the Yahoo messenger thing has been fixed in the CVS version of Kopete. how can i make that happen ? can i find a PKGBUILD script for the cvs Kopete somewhere ? i think that it is just part of one of the KDE packages and i dont need to reinstall everything to get that going.
ok, any suggestions would be much appreciated..
Arch Rocks !

-> is there some reason why you use only one user-account? i highly advice you to switch to a more-user way of using linux
the icons on the desktop cannot be separated easily (kde<->gnome), as both use ~/Desktop/.. structure (what became also standard and is also good being), so the best way would be to have more than one user
kde? gnome? try xfce4 :-)
yahoo: kopete: hmm... earlier, kopete was a separate pkg (it was not part of the official kde-release), and it was very easy to rebuild only kopete on cvs --- now, things became a little more complicated: you need to rebuild kdenetwork (as far as i can remember), but as kde 3.3.beta1 (klassroom) is out, let's hope that some of the great users start a repository for it (some time ago someone from the comunity was running his/her own repository with the actual kde beta, but i was not able to find this thread - maybe deleted now)
you can also play around with ABS (see docs) and build your own kde 3.3beta1 pkgs and install them, but if you are a newbie, it would be a time-consuming, but learning experience

Arch + gnome|kde against other distros

Arch for me is a perfect distro in that sense, that I know exactly, where all configuration is stored, what every file means and where to dig in case of problems.
But this is true only if I don't use major DEs, such as gnome or kde.
So I want to ask the community, what advantages and disadvantages Arch has against other distros with gnome/kde/etc (not counting rolling-release)?
TNX.
edit:
As for me, Arch's main advantage - simple configuration through text files. I guess it is the same for many Arch users. But not for all.
Why people, who prefer to use kde/gnome use Arch?
Last edited by eDio (2009-10-18 21:40:20)

I use ArchLinux with KDE4 because Arch gives me exactly what I want, no less, no more. KDE4 likes to be bloated and come with loads of useless crap, but not on Arch. Arch divides KDE into modules so I only get EXACTLY what i want. This makes my system fast, entirely customized, and yet it still looks good. Also if I want to remove KDE and install something else, it's extremely easy. Lastly, I love how standard Arch is. Packages are extremely standardized, none of this crap "flavoring"(as I like to call it) other distros employ, which cause more issues than they fix. Here everything is "standard linux". Everything conforms and makes sense, manual editing is simple. The AUR and PKGBUILD system is also absolutely fantastic, and probably my favorite part of the distro(along with tools like yaourt and the fact that most AUR packages also follow the Arch Packaging Standard)

Install gnome/kde/xfce to /usr?

Why don't we just put everything into /usr? The /opt serves no purpose since all apps are installed/removed by pacman and not untar/rm. And where should you install an app that needs both of kde and gnome?? /opt/kde+gnome?
The reasons people are against this are summarized below:
· The standard says "Large software packages must not use a direct subdirectory under the /usr hierarchy": BUT kde and gnome are not large packages (like openoffice), but many small packages, just like the rest of linux. The "GNOME" or "KDE" is just a conceptual name for end-users. Any app or user could use 1% of gnome/kde packages and keep away from the other 99%.
· Puting all files into /usr is slow: There isn't any benchmark to confirm that. And a nearly-complete gnome 2.14 installation contains only about 100-200 files in /opt/gnome/bin/, compared to more than 1000 in /usr/bin. It just can't cause any slow down on modern linux filesystems. (it's 1,100+ not 11,000+)

once upon a time, it was simpler and certainly cleaner to put things in opt as we do, and we didnt have a standard telling us what to do. Time have changed since, and it's quite a monumental and time consuming task to move all of gnome, all of kde, and all of the various programs back to /usr, something that just doesnt seem like it will reap any benefit for all the effort. That's the sole reason why things are in opt. Simple.
Sure, there's the standard -- but because there's a standard, doesnt mean we must follow it. Plenty of people get caught up in the word 'standard' and instagib-flame-kinghit-ko-up-left-right-right-down anyone who speaks against a standard irrelevant of the quality or applicability of the standard.
It's not like most distros actually observe the standard anyway. I havn't seen a single distro having httpd serve out of /srv. The standard itself is out of date and contradictory. Xorg moved from X11R6 to /usr a while back now. Besides, why seperate X into X11R6? what makes it so special that it must be seperated yet kde and gnome cannot?
And is having kde and gnome seperate actually a violation of the standard?
It's no difficult stretch of the mind to consider them "Add-on application software packages" after all, they're not required for a system to run, and nor are they installed by default, they are addons after installation.
If we now look at the /usr section of the FHS, we see that:
/usr is the second major section of the filesystem. /usr is shareable, read-only data ..... Large software packages must not use a direct subdirectory under the /usr hierarchy.
It isnt difficult to consider KDE and GNOME large software packages. Saying they aren't large because they're split, is like calling OOo small if we split it up into each of it's components, libraries and programs. If you do decide to use any particular KDE and GNOME app, there exists something known as dependencies. For kde, you'll get a minimum of 30mb from kdebase, and that's just the tarball, not the extracted size.
The desktops themselves are quite large anyway. pacman -S gnome. I havn't got a clean install on me here, but it's surely a reasonable size to install to get a functioning GNOME desktop, KDE is definitely quite big, with kdebase alone being 30mb.
If you look at the actual standard, it's pretty flexible, and it's definition of /opt's purpose is very lofty. The rationale for it, is that "The use of /opt for add-on software is a well-established practice in the UNIX community"
http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3 … REPACKAGES
And we can take their approach here too, not only is it fine to put kde and gnome in opt as they are addon packages, but we can use their own rationale and say "that's how we've always done it"
By no means do I remotely agree with the standard, but if you can use it to argue for putting them in /usr, you can also use it to argue for putting them in /opt. Either way, it negates this standard because of the ambiguity in this area and doesnt change the sole reason why things are in /opt in arch, which I explained first.
James

Dropline gnome / KDE for arch.

Hey, before arch I was using slackware and dropline gnome ( go here for more info http://www.dropline.net/gnome ) and I really liked it. I was just wondering if anyone here would be interested or willing to use a custom version of gnome or kde specifically made for arch? such as dropline is for slackware.
Just curious.

I'd be interested in trying out such a thing, for Gnome or KDE. Hard to say whether I'd want to use something like that long-term until I try it, though. ATM, I'm liking fluxbox an awful lot.
I had trouble when I tried to install a Gnome DE on Arch. Partly, it was because of some problems with Gnome and/or Arch Linux's implementation (search the forums ... there are some pretty long threads about the trouble people have had getting Gnome to work), and partly it was because I've never used Gnome and I didn't have much of an idea of how it was supposed to work. Gnome documentation goes into a fair amount of detail, but in the end it seemed like an awful lot of effort just to try something, so I gave up on it.
I'm sure there are many Arch users who wouldn't be interested, or who are more inclined to customize KDE/Gnome for themselves if they use either one at all, but I think the existence of such projects would enhance Arch's appeal to people who aren't very experienced with Linux or with the DE's for Linux. (That would be me! ) I don't think it needs to be (or even should be) an "official" part of the Arch distro, just like Dropline isn't an official part of Slackware. I also think, like Dropline, it would be a lot of work and require significant resources to be done right.

KDE/Gnome interference

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