Lightroom 4 Nomenclature is confusing

I have used LR since version 1, and it my basic editing tool. Having just played with LR4 for the first time in the past two days, I like many of the upgrades a lot, but I do find the nomenclature confusing.
The Histogram has five regions--Whites, Highlights, Exposure, Shadows and Blacks. The Basic Panel then starts with Exposure--does that relate specifically to the midtone area as specified by the Histogram, or does that relate to the entire image, as it does in LR3? If this slider refers to the entire image, shouldn't it be called something else, other than Exposure, which refers to the mid-tones on the Histogram?
Beneath that are sliders for Highlights, Shadows, Whites and Blacks. Why have them in that order? Wouldn't it be clearer to list them in the same order as the Histogram, i.e., Whites, Highlights, Shadows and Blacks? And, if the Exposure slider is for the mid-tone area only, shouldn't that be in the middle of the sliders, not above Contrast? The Tone Curve is structured in that fashion, what is the purpose or mixing up the order? I know it confused me.
Then, in the Adjustment Brush and Graduated Filter, we have Exposure, Highlights and Shadows. Whites and Blacks are gone. Do these corrections have different meanings here?
On a different topic, the Camera Profiles should be at the top of the panel, not the bottom. I posted a question in a live webinar with Tom Hogarty, and he said that change had been considered and rejected. Nevertheless, I repeat that from a workflow perspective--which Lightroom has always championed--this placement of the Profiles is upside down.
Cheers,
Jim

Jim,
The topic of the order of the sliders (Exposure, Highlights, Shadows, Whites, Blacks) has actually already been extensively discussed on other threads in this forum. Some people just don't like it and think it makes no sense, while others seem to understand the method.
The concept is essentially that the various sliders follow a basic order of operations... general adjustments to exposure first, then more targeted adjustments to highlights and shadows, then very specific adjustments to whites and blacks. By positioning the sliders according to this order of operations, Adobe is promoting that type of workflow efficiency that you find lacking in their positioning of the camera profiles. Sure, there are potentially other ways that the develop sliders could have been ordered, but the method that Adobe chose does make sense. And, while it may not be the most intuitive method for you, I would wager that you'll get used to it faster than you might think.
As for the Camera Profiles, I also use them all the time. I do agree with you that, since camera profiles have such a profound effect upon the appearance of a photograph, they really shouldn't be placed at the bottom of the develop settings as if they are just a minor finishing touch. I would also agree that they should be closer to the top of the develop panel. I can only guess that the reason they aren't is that many users actually don't use the camera profiles, instead opting to achieve similar effects by manipulating all of the other sliders. As I said, I DO use camera profiles, but I also know that most of the modification these profiles produce can be pretty closely replicated by using the normal sliders higher up in the develop panel.

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1)
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2)
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etcetera23 wrote:
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For offline drives "?" just do not mean anything other than plug it when you want them gone.
the lrcat could live on Dropbox or iCloud.
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For rating and other metadata adding the previews are sufficient.
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Hullo Amar Sagoo:
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However, whilst it would seem fairly straightforward to create a list in the first place, ammending it can certainly upset that.
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If, once having explored what really is available, you are still dissatisfied with it, you may be in a position to offer some constructive suggestion to Pages > Provide Pages Feedback in the main menu of your program.
Meantime best wishes, and see if this helps.
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Hello
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Still following the instructions, to make the image more vibrant, I went to Mode, Lab Color, Apply Image. I chose the 'a' chanel, blending mode, then switched back to RGB Color
It didn't actually say to save file, but I just did a 'File Save in PS. The only photo in LR4 was now the PS edited one. I went to before/after comparison, but just had the finished photo with Lab Color adjustments as after photo, and before photo was the combined 2 photos after editing / layer masking, but no sign of my original.
I have been reading that you should 'copy' the original in PS, but have also read that this is not necessary if you have Lightroom, So I'm confused by this. This was the first time the book touched on photoshop, so I'm surprised there was no mentioned about saving the file. I'd appreciate guidance, as I now have about 4 photoshop books, and they all talk of camera raw workflow only
Thanks, Roy

That sounds like a question for the Lightroom forum.Not every Photoshop user runs Lightroom too, not by a long shot.
Lightroom has a totally separate forum, You can find it in the forums index page. I detest Lightroom ever since I tested it when it first came out, so I don't have the link to their forum handy for you, as I have no reason to ever visit there.

Import Problems/Bug

I normally have three versions of the same file in a folder - .NEF, .PSD and .TIF, all serving different purpose. Lightroom appears to be confused when importing and does not recognise two out of the three. In other words it only brings in one file and when I try to import all three and it tells me that the the file already exists.
So I removed all but .NEF files from the folder and imported them again. No problems. I then copied all my .PSD and .TIF files back in and tried to import. Lightroom tells me that .NEF file already exists even though I am trying to import .TIF! Go figure... Looks like a bug, sounds like a bug, walks like a bug - must be a bug... :-(
Regards,
Peter

Wrong. They can exist in he same folder. Just won't import at the same time that way. Try it. Import the two different extension files into separate folders then move them together. Thay are fine. LR just won't do it for you at this time.
And there are lots of threads rehashing and dealing with this issue. So a little searching will get you what's what.
Don
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Camera raw converter epl-2 .orf to DNG

Is there a camera raw plug in for Lightroom 2 that converts epl-2 orf to a dng or raw file. I want to be able to use my epl-2 .orf files in the version I have of Lightroom which is Lightroom 2

I am so confused. When I go to the Camera Raw pages I see Adobe Camera Raw
converter plugins for various Adobe products like Photoshop or Lightroom or
Elements or ... I do not see ANY standalone Camera Raw converter. When I
read the download page under requirements I see the following. ?????? Is
the DNG Converter a stand alone product or does it have to be used in
conjunction with the following adobe products.
Requirements:
· Adobe Creative Suite
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· Photoshop CS3.<http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Graphics/Adobe-Photoshop.shtml>
· Photoshop Elements
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