Mac Pro end of life in Europe?

My local reseller has emailed me to inform me that the Mac Pro will no longer be availabe in the EU from March.
Is this for real or an early April Fool?
Message was...
Here's the official word from Apple:
As of March 1, 2013, Apple will no longer sell Mac Pro in EU, EU candidate and EFTA countries because these systems are not compliant with Amendment 1 of regulation IEC 60950-1, Second Edition which becomes effective on this date. Apple resellers can continue to sell any remaining inventory of Mac Pro after March 1.  Apple will take final orders for Mac Pro from resellers up until February 18th for shipment before March 1, 2013.  Countries outside of the EU are not impacted and Mac Pro will continue to be available in those areas.

It is interesting (to me anyway) what UL rules require, gleaned from talking to design engineers who had to work within their framework.
They say you must not be able to touch Voltages inside the cabinet over 35 Volts with your unaided fingers (no tools). So anything over 35 Volts must have a cover that cannot be removed with fingers alone.
If the unit catches fire, it must not be able to drop burning debris directly out the bottom (into a presumed computer-room floor providing cooling air).

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    family: 6 model: 44 stepping: 2 microcode: 15
    Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           X5650  @ 2.67GHz
    9 error-reporting banks
    threshold-based error status present
    extended corrected memory error handling present
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    Processor 1: no valid machine-check state
    Processor 2: no valid machine-check state
    Processor 3: no valid machine-check state
    Processor 4: no valid machine-check state
    Processor 5: no valid machine-check state
    Processor 6: no valid machine-check state
    Processor 7: no valid machine-check state
    Processor 8: no valid machine-check state
    Processor 9: no valid machine-check state
    Processor 10: no valid machine-check state
    Processor 11: no valid machine-check state
    Processor 12: no valid machine-check state
    Processor 13: no valid machine-check state
    Processor 14: no valid machine-check state
    Processor 15: no valid machine-check state
    Processor 16: no valid machine-check state
    Processor 17: no valid machine-check state
    Processor 18: no valid machine-check state
    Processor 19: no valid machine-check state
    Processor 20: no valid machine-check state
    Processor 21: no valid machine-check state
    Processor 22: machine-check status 0x0000000000000004:
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    IA32_MC0_STATUS(0x401): 0x0000000000000800 invalid
    IA32_MC1_STATUS(0x405): 0x0000000000000800 invalid
    IA32_MC2_STATUS(0x409): 0xb200000000030005 valid
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      Model specific error code: 0x0003
      Other information:         0x00000000
      Threshold-based status:    Undefined
      Status bits:
       Processor context corrupt
       Error enabled
       Uncorrected error
    IA32_MC3_STATUS(0x40d): 0x0000000000000000 invalid
    IA32_MC4_STATUS(0x411): 0x0000000000000000 invalid
    IA32_MC5_STATUS(0x415): 0x0000000000000000 invalid
    IA32_MC6_STATUS(0x419): 0x0000000000000000 invalid
    IA32_MC7_STATUS(0x41d): 0x0000000000000000 invalid
    IA32_MC8_STATUS(0x421): 0x0000000000000000 invalid
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    IA32_MC1_STATUS(0x405): 0x0000000000000800 invalid
    IA32_MC2_STATUS(0x409): 0xb200000000030005 valid
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      Model specific error code: 0x0003
      Other information:         0x00000000
      Threshold-based status:    Undefined
      Status bits:
       Processor context corrupt
       Error enabled
       Uncorrected error
    IA32_MC3_STATUS(0x40d): 0x0000000000000000 invalid
    IA32_MC4_STATUS(0x411): 0x0000000000000000 invalid
    IA32_MC5_STATUS(0x415): 0x0000000000000000 invalid
    IA32_MC6_STATUS(0x419): 0x0000000000000000 invalid
    IA32_MC7_STATUS(0x41d): 0x0000000000000000 invalid
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    0xffffff82cca86ec0 : 0xffffff802701d626
    0xffffff82cca86f30 : 0xffffff80270b83c9
    0xffffff82cca870a0 : 0xffffff80270cedbf
    0xffffff82d74bbda0 : 0xffffff7fa888812e
    0xffffff82d74bbe80 : 0xffffff7fa8887515
    0xffffff82d74bbf30 : 0xffffff80270b8c1b
    0xffffff82d74bbf50 : 0xffffff802702f1c3
    0xffffff82d74bbf90 : 0xffffff802702f478
    0xffffff82d74bbfb0 : 0xffffff80270b26b7
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             com.apple.driver.AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement(196.0)[EDE188A8-D142-3689-B2F0-26 AB424A4CAF]@0xffffff7fa8885000->0xffffff7fa88adfff
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    Darwin Kernel Version 12.2.0: Sat Aug 25 00:48:52 PDT 2012; root:xnu-2050.18.24~1/RELEASE_X86_64
    Kernel UUID: 69A5853F-375A-3EF4-9247-478FD0247333
    Kernel slide:     0x0000000026e00000
    Kernel text base: 0xffffff8027000000
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    System uptime in nanoseconds: 2011463948950
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    last unloaded kext at 84736674737: com.apple.driver.AppleFileSystemDriver          3.0.1 (addr 0xffffff7fa899e000, size 8192)
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    com.apple.driver.AudioAUUC          1.60
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