MBP Hardrive capture requirements w/ FW800 External Drive?

Hi All,
Im wondering about the hardrive requirements on a 15" Macbook Pro for CS5 Premier Pro. The stated minimum hardrive speed for sd capture is a 7200 rpm HD however my MBP's internal only runs at 5400 rpm. While swapping out the internal HD is not an option, I have a 1tb firewire 800 external drive. Firstly, if I only capture on to this external drive will the entire editing process run smoothly enough? Is this solution simply a patch or an appropriate resolution? Furthermore, will I need to have all of my files kept on the external at all times or can I bring them on to my slower internal and work mobiley. Any other comments on this issue would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

Both of your disks will be pretty slow, so don't complain if there is some jerkiness. For capturing you should be OK, but it is editing that may cause problems, depending on your workflow. Capturing usually implies DV or HDV and for thast you look to be OK.
If you want to edit AVCHD or other complex codecs, this may be considered a sub-par machine and that is your choice. Good luck with it.

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I’m getting to the bottom of the barrel.
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I think I got it! Any compatibility problems I should be aware of specifically? Brands? Sounds like a good reliable setup. However, no EC/34 dealers up in here in Canada yet. Any internet recommendations?
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