MBP with SSD or HDD

Hi,
Which MBP sells more or is more preferred by the people - MBP with SSD Or HDD Memory.
Thanks.

Apple charges far too much for their models with flash storage or SSDs. While I see a SSD as a necessity, I wouldn't buy one from Apple.
For more on MacBook Pros and SSDs, see my one and only user tip - Upgrading your MacBook Pro with a Solid State Drive. Note that it's only meant for non-Retina display models.
Good luck,
Clinton

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In the manual of the boot camp it says that if you have more than one internal hard drive and you wanna put bootcamp on one that isn't the first, you have to remove the other hard drives. That would be hard cause you can't open the iMac easily. And especially not without loosing guarantee.
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That article is misleading to an extent and applied to the workstations with 4 internal drives and easy to access - and misleading as to why other drives had to be removed etc.
As for warranty, it use to be a customer upgraded part to swap out hard drives. All that is needed to disconnect the data cable going to the drive.

CHKDSK fails on fresh install of Windows 7 x64 on mid-2009 MBP with SSD

There was an earlier post about this that has been archived prematurely that I will reproduce below. The main issue is a flaw in the Windows 7 x64 CHKDSK of the SSD drive in the mid-2009 MBP= 5,2. With fresh OSX installs, bootcamp 3.1, Windows 7 x64 all updates, the CHKDSK operation checks files at about 1 per second in stage 4 of 5, verifying file data.
Moderators: please leave this open until it is actually resolved.
Earlier posts:
Panajev
Posts: 4
From: ITALY
Registered: Oct 14, 2009
Windows 7 x64, MacBook Pro, frequent CHKDSK after HDD firmware update
Posted: Nov 2, 2009 6:45 AM
Hello, I have been having filesystem problems on my Windows 7 partition since the HDD related firmware update (the latest Performance update) was released and installed onto this mid 2009 MacBook Pro.
The HDD is a 500 GB 7200 RPM model, but it never gave me any troubles under OS X before the "fix" and I know other users had intermittent problems with the HDD on their MacBook Pro's related to the HDD making noises and pausing.
The fix was released, I installed it and I started seeing my first problem in Windows 7 x64 a few days after... I cleanly shut the OS down, but when I booted it back it asked me to perform a coherency check to the Filesystem... I thought that the problem was related to the fact that I was using the RC1 build of Windows 7... although that problem never manifested itself in the weeks before the Performance Update (HDD firmware fix) was installed and Windows 7 x64 RC1 had been on there and used frequently.
I recently purchased Windows 7 retail a few days ago and after a bit of trouble-free operation I started having problems again... always shutting the PC down carefully and I was asked to run the CHKDSK utility at boot twice already.
What to do?
Message was edited by: Panajev
MacBook Pro (2009) Mac OS X (10.6.1) Windows 7 x64, Bootcamp 3.0, recent HDD update
nicegom
Posts: 6
Registered: Nov 12, 2009
Re: Windows 7 x64, MacBook Pro, frequent CHKDSK after HDD firmware update
Posted: Nov 12, 2009 1:40 AM in response to: Panajev
Hi there,
I have a different experience. I installed Windows 7 before the "performance update 1.0" came out. I actually experienced the chkdsk launch problem with Windows 7. I had done repartitioning and clean-install several times but cannot solve the problem. So I tried to install XP and Vista on my MBA (Mid 2009 with SSD) and found that these two OS doesn't introduce such problem.
To be honest, I'm not sure which caused such problem, Windows 7, a bootcamp driver, or EFI. But I'm sure that CHKDSK in Windows 7 has an obvious bug that needs to be patched (memory leak and maybe this problem as well). So now I'm using Windows Vista SP2. And I'm happy with Vista SP2 (seems to become faster and stable now).
Cheer,
Message was edited by: nicegom
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Windows 7 x64 all updates
Just doublechecking. Does that include the recent chkdsk hotfixes?
[The Chkdsk.exe program does not start correctly on a Windows 7-based computer|http://support.microsoft.com/kb/975778]

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I have a MBP mid-2009 with 4Gb RAM, which I replaced the HDD with an SSD and moved the HDD to the optical bay. The current Snow Leopard OS boots from the SSD (all system files are in the SSD), however I keep the home folders (/Users) in the HDD. This is because my SSD is small while I have a lot of large personal files. Now I want to upgrade the OS to Mountain Lion (required to run certain apps). My main concern is whether the ML upgrade will break my system configuration (perhaps lose files, unbootable), because my SSD+HDD system configuration is nonstandard. Any experience or tips are very welcome. Thanks!

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Repair your hard drive and permissions before upgrading.
Make a backup of your current system, preferable a bootable one, just in case.
After you download Mountain Lion, you might wish to do this:
Make Your Own Mountain/Lion Installer
1. After downloading Mountain/Lion you must first save the Install Mac OS X Mountain/
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    the copy into your Downloads folder. Now you can click on the Install button. You
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2. Get a USB flash drive that is at least 8 GBs. Prep this flash drive as follows:
a. Open Disk Utility in your Utilities folder.
b. After DU loads select your flash drive (this is the entry with the mfgr.'s ID and size) from the left
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e. Set the format type to Mac OS Extended (Journaled.) Click on the Options button, check the
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f. Click on the Erase button. The format process can take up to an hour depending upon the flash
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a. Double-click on the InstallESD.dmg file to mount it on your Desktop.
b. Open Disk Utility.
c. Select the USB flash drive from the left side list.
d. Click on the Restore tab in the DU main window.
e. Select the USB flash drive volume from the left side list and drag it to the Destination entry field.
f. Drag the mounted disc icon from the Desktop into the Source entry field.
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A MBP with Ssd only for gaming, while a external hdd for all the other apps. Is that possible?

Is that possible?

mende1
wrote: For most apps, it's possible, but there are other which will give you troubles.
In my experience, with most of the apps that I use on a regular basis, most must be installed on the boot drive. You can't just 'move', for example, Adobe CC applications, Office apps (as you note), etc.
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Just my 2¢...
Clinton

2011 MBP with SSD/Time Machine Issues

Early-2011 MBP (MacBookPro8,2)
8GB RAM
240 GB OWC Mercury Electra 6G SSD (newly installed)
750 GB HD (original boot drive, now with the user folder on a 500 GB partition and a 250 GB Windows boot camp partition)
I replaced my 750 GB boot drive with the OWC SSD recently and put a fresh install of Mavericks (10.9) on the new drive. I used the OWC bracket and moved my old 750 GB drive to the optical drive bay. Erased and reformatted the 500 GB partition (on the 750GB drive) as a Mac OS Extended (Journaled) drive. I moved my Home folder to the Mac partition. I've since reinstalled apps and replaced my Home folder contents from a clone I made.
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Based on some of the other threads I've read I ran the following command:
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As indicated in OWC's instructions, the Sudden Motion Sensor no longer applies and should be disabled with this command from the terminal:
$ sudo pmset -a sms 0
And using this command, we can see that the SMS is off:
$ sudo pmset -g
Active Profiles:
Battery Power                    -1
AC Power                    -1*
Currently in use:
womp                    1
halfdim          1
sms                    0
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But it's off.
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Download an run memtest to check your RAM.
http://osxdaily.com/2011/05/03/memtest-mac-ram-test/
www.memtestosx.org/downloads/memtest422/Users_Guide.rtf
Don Montalvo was preventing the crashes by turning off SMS. However, replacing bad RAM was the ultimate solution.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3013824?start=0&tstart=0
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3013824?start=45&tstart=0

13" MBP 2011 - SSD vs HDD & RAM

I'm looking to upgrade a 13" MBP (2010) for a new 13" MBP (2011) with either a 500GB HD or 256GB SSD and a new portable external HD. I'm split between the HD and SSD.
Either way ... how do I determine if the 8GB RAM is that much more advantage over the 4GB RAM? Will the RAM being doubled ultimately change the way the MBP operates?
Looking toward the future release of Lion ... and planning ahead.

with MAC, 4GB is adequate and should be for the next 3 years unless Apple is planning on releasing some fluffed up garbage OS like the Windows Vista nightmare. MAC OS X uses just under 1 GB (as will the new OS X to be released this summer). The MBA runs fairly well on just 2 GB to put memory into perspective. The next model up with the MBP 13" (i7) doesn't perform much better than the i5; you can read into this further through sites such as anandtech.com and cnet.com by observing posted benchmarks. Also, if you go to cnet.com and check out the new MAC OS X Lion, you will see that most of the systems running it are entry level MBAs (2nd gen); check out the following link:
http://download.cnet.com/8301-2007_4-20042355-12.html?tag=contentMain;contentBod y;1n
Personally I would have a MBA if they had the new Sandy Bridge in them and more memory for the 1299.00 model. Considering that I didn't want to wait for the next refresh, I went with MBP. The MBP is not far off from the MBA.
If paying the extra $90 will give you peace of mind, then go for it. Personally I'd rather apply the cash to a protective case etc...
Also, I mentioned I'm a student; I just retired from Active Duty service in the Army as a Signal officer. I will be going back to college to work on my MBA. I somewhat have some credentials and experience in the hardware side of the house lol...
In regards to the MBA and MBP; to each his own. The 13" MBP comes with much more with similar dimensions, but also comes with the weight penalty.
Also, what are you doing with the system, most processors these days are more than adequate for the average or business user. How fast do you really need to go; 300MPH or 350MPH? Processors are fairly maxed our for most of us; most deciding factors now will be efficiency and battery life.
Being military, I understand the problem of carrying additional items on you; power, weight and size are everything. Out in the combat zone and being an officer managing 30+ soldiers and over 7 billion in assets, my HP netbook worked fine with my external for movies with moments of sheer boredom; the MBA is a powerhouse in comparison; the MBP 13" 4GB would have been flawless.
Back on topic, 4GB will more than suffice for the average user, unless your getting into gaming which the 13" MBP isn't even built for. 8GB of ram; decide on that if you are going for the 15 or 17 in model. Your dilemma is probably more of buyer's remorse; just get the ram and give yourself peace of mind.

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Sorry if this has been addressed before, but I couldn't find a specific answer by searching. My last macbook was stolen, but luckily I had everything backed up in my Time Capsule. I just ordered my new Macbook Pro (13"), 16GB Ram, and a 240GB SSD. I plan to install everything next week. My plan is to keep all of my apps and working files on my SSD and use my 2nd hard drive for data storage and possibly my itunes library. My question is- when setting all of this up, what would be the best way to go about doing this.
1.) Restoring my time machine backup to the original hard drive, move it to the optical drive bay, and then copy over the files that I want on the SSD (after installing the operating system) and delete them off of the origan HD.
2.) Restore my backup to the SSD (once it's installed) and then move files over to the formated original harddrive in the optical bay. My problem is that there may not be enough room on the 240GB SSD.
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Best setup for iMac with SSD and HDD? Best location of scratch & home folders?
Computer:
iMac 2.93 GHz Quad core i7, 8GB RAM, 1 TB HDD + 256 GB SSD
There is not much info from Apple about the best way to set up an iMac with a Hard Drive and Solid state drive. I’ve looked at a few of the forum posts across the web and came up with a plan and lots of questions. (I do use photoshop frequently, but not on a professional level):
1. I will keep OS and Applications on SSD
2. About moving the home folder: I saw some posts about moving the whole home folder, but it makes more sense to me to only move selected fodlers withing the home folder tomake the best use of the SSD. So will keep the home folder on SSD, but move certain folders (document /music/iphoto/download) to 1 TB HDD via instructions I found on the macintoshperformanceguide website:
cd
sudo cp -r Documents /Volumes/Master
sudo rm -rf Documents
sudo ln -s /Volumes/Master/Documents Documents
3. I would like to get 8 more RAM when I can afford it
4. I will attach an external hard drive for most of my documents and backup storage
5. Now here is where I’m not sure what’s best:
a. Should I partition my internal 1 TB hard drive and use the first partition as a scratch disc for photoshop and other applications? How much should I partition? Is there any benefit to this if the rive is partitioned?
b. Should I use an external drive as a scratch disc?
c. Any advice on a good 1-2 TB external drive?
d. Should I just leave things in factory settings?
Don't assume I know the basics - I got all the above just by searching around. Any advice and commentary is appreciatedThanks.
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Thanks for the advice and the links. yes, I would like to speed up ps as much as possible.
I wonder if putting the scratch disc on the same drive as the OS would cause them to interfere with each other? Even if they are on different partitions, they would not be able to be accessed at the same time, or could they? That's why I was wondering if I should place scratch disc on the internal HDD -- but then I don't know how much to partition for it (or to partition at all?)
ALso, I read on a few places that too much read/write on the SSD wears it down over time? Is this more of a theoretical concerns - it does not make sense to me since it has no moving parts!
thanks again for the advice ... I'm gonna go digest those links

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recently, I have installed the windows 7 on my mbp with SSD
after installation, I found that on my windows 7 system so that My SSD mode is PCI mode. How can I change it to ACHI mode? thanks in advance.

does anyone help? thanks

Is it better to sleep or shut down the MBP with SDD

Is it better to us sleep or shutdown for a new MBP with SSD? The laptop will probably be used at least nce per day but likly not used for 18-20 hours at a time.

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2011 MBP 2nd HDD mod with SSD

I have been trying for days to successfully get Bootcamp 4 +win7 onto my 2011 MBP.
I have modded my MBP to have a second hard drive (ssd in main bay, original 750gb HDD in sled where optical drive used to be.)
SSD is in the main HDD slot, and was put there since the main sata bus is native 6gbs (sata3), where the optical drive bus is sata 2.
So since my ssd is sata3, and the original drive is sata2 it made sense, also it made sense since the main bus is where the computer is designed to boot from.
Ok, so heres what I have done.
I have used Bootcamp, with all combinations of the three boxes checked. (after editing files in my mac i was able to use the "create windows 7 USB installer" function)
I purchased a macbook air super drive (after editing files on my mac, i was able to view and use the drive normally in my OS, but unable to boot from it.) Ended up returning it because an $80 that you can ONLY use on very specific systems is outragous... $25 bucks for a super generic one that has an infinite amount more compatability, or $80 for a locked drive...and here I thought the days of doing stupid proprietary crap to hardware was over
Gparted, testdisk, pdisk, and other table editors have been no help... (cant even get gparted to boot past video drivers, even in vga mode it errors)
I can successfully install windows when i replace the original superdrive that shipped with the system, with the original HDD in the main bay. When I install using this method, as soon as I rebuild my system (ssd main bay, hdd in second bay) my mbp fails to see the windows install (blinking ? folder). I think has to do with the drivers for the 2 sata busses are different.
Holding "alt/option" sees a "Windows" partition that is bootable. when selected, my mbp fails to see the windows install (blinking ? folder)
Disconnected the drive from MBP, connected it to my desktop, viewed / edited in gparted. Same outcome...my mbp fails to see the windows install.
When I follow the main bootcamp instructions for a USB install, I can successfully create a bootable USB with windows 7 on it (works great on my PC) when my computer restarts to install... cant boot from usb, i get the blinking folder (in this config, the drives are in my preffered locations: ssd main bay, hdd in second bay)
Someone said certain USB sticks may not work to boot from... the same USB stick boots up to gparted fine on both my iMac, my PC and this MBP... and the Windows 7 on USB that bootcamp created boots my PC seamlessly. so I doubt its the USB being "unbootable" (just to check this, i erased, reconfigured gparted live USB, and plugged in... not only does it boot, it boots fast, same with a MSDOS recovery USB stick and Unbuntu Live USB)
I disassembled an External DVD drive, and tried about 8 different drives connected directly to the circut board of the external... Can see whatever disc i put in the drive, but only in the OS, Can not boot from any of them (windows dvd shows up as bootable when that disc is in, but selecting it gives me a blinking "_" on a black screen, a black screen, or the message "no bootable devices found, insert boot disc and press any key" depending on where I am at in my process
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I have been a computer tech for over 10 years and every logical solution seems to fail for reasons not apparent to me... maybe jobs was in a bad mood when they discussed how my MBP should function.
Why not let me boot from an $80 superdrive?
Why not let me boot Windows 7 installer from anything besides the original drive?
Seriously... Why?
$2000 dollars for a computer should be more than enough cheddar to get a system that isnt locked to Apples way...
I was always a PC loyalist, and my MBP started to change that a little. But then the simple things like... booting from a different source, cant use external drives.
My next best guess on what to do is:
reconfigure the mac to factory, install bootcamp and configure windows on the main HDD bus.
Take out that HDD configured the way i want it.
put in ANOTHER DIFFERENT spare drive.
rebuild
install bootcamp again, go through options, partition drive and when it restarts to install, shut it down
take spare drive
connect both bootcamp drives to my PC, use GParted to compare the partition tables. Edit one to reflect other
restart and see if bootcamp is bootable...
The number one reason i was told i would enjoy my apple...
"it just works"
lmao

SOLVED it for myself like this:
Moved back the HDD from optibay to main bay. Put back the optical drive in and booted off of a windows 7 DVD and installed it on the HDD. Moved the HDD back to optibay and SSD to the main bay. Booted up and holding option/alt showed both Windows and Lion.
Hint: I didn't wanted the win to be installed on my SSD, I am so afraid of imagining what win can do to it
Here is what I experienced:
SSD in main bay, HDD in optibay:
* no boot off of a bootable windows setup on a USB made with:
1- NTFS format (made on mac with Unetbootin)
2- FAT format (made on windows)
3- UDF format (made on mac with direction given here : help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick )
* no boot off of an external DVD with original windows setup DVD
* boots off mac os original DVD supplied
No SSD, No HDD, No Optical drive:
* no boot from flash/win cd
* boots off mac os original CD supplied
Optical drive in Optibay, SSD or HDD in main bay:
* boot off win DVD
* No USB booting!
* No extrnal DVD booting
Hope this help someone!

Big Aperture Library - iMac with SSD HDD - how to?

Just ordered the new 27 inch i7 iMac with SSD plus 2TB HDD , and want to plan the move from my old MBP.
I currently have a managed Aperture Library which is about 400GBs (on an external drive). Clearly this will not fit on a 256GB SSD, but I'd like to get some speed benefit from the SSD.
So I'm thinking I'll change to a referenced library, placing the masters on the 2TB drive and the aplibrary on the SSD.
To get there, I plan to to go through the following steps, and my questions are, do you think this is a good approach? Is there a better way? Can you see any risks?
Make a backup copy of the aplibrary on my old Mac to an external drive
Open it on the iMac
Relocate Masters from this aplibrary to the 2TB drive
Close down Aperture.
Copy the (now smaller) aplibrary from the external drive to the SSD
Open it there.
I tried these steps between external hard drives with a small (less than 5GB) aplibrary to test the concept and when I opened the copy of the (now smaller) aplibrary, all worked fine. The copy of the aplibrary knew where the masters were.
Background:-
My thinking is that the performance should be quite good since the library will be quite small (I'm guessing about 30GBs) and accesses to this library will be to quite small items (average in my test is 0.2 MB per item), whereas the images are quite large (up to 25 MB per image). Hard disks are better at moving big items and SSD benefits tend to be higher for reads and writes to small items, since there is no seek time or rotation time. Of course the system and applications will be on the SSD as well.
PS I may even try this approach on my MBP, putting the aplibrary on the internal drive and the images still external.

Interesting!
Thanks, Ernie.
I am expecting that Aperture will launch faster since the app will be on SSD, but I also expect that due to accesses to the aplibrary, Aperture will be much faster. For example, the aplibrary will contain the previews, thumbnails, metadata and adjustments. I don't really expect that Aperture will transfer images being edited to SSD, rather that it would simply read them into RAM directly, bypassing the SSD.
What I definitely WILL do is to try to observe the performance differences with the library on SSD vs HDD.
I can see this turning into a science experiment for me!
PS, I will have 12 GBs of RAM, the original 4 plus 8 more
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