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Well I'm in the process of trying to build my first real image now with 10.5. I've had a Alpha image which was nothing more than an upgrade of my 10.4 image. I have it running on 2 machines in the general populas and thats been going ok. Most of the problems reported I have either been able to work out or attribute to something which won't be here next year anyways.
The image I'm working on now is for our Art department. Working with 10.5.2 I'm trying to provide the students with a whole home directory, but completely local. I add my OD server 1st to "Directory Utility". At that point I can login with users from it and MCX stuff is working properly. If I login as a local user again MCX stuff is acting the way it should. Then I add my Novell server to "Directory Utility" for authentication. At this point Local users and users from my OD server still are working properly. MCX is still controlling the dock and so forth as they should. However, when I go to authenticate to my Novell server I can login, but MCX doesn't appear to be playing a role at all!
Please keep in mind I use this same config already in 10.4 and I have no problems right now... Everything works great. A side from the difference of OS 10.4 in the current enviroment and me trying to use 10.5.2 for this image everything else is the same software wise. I'm still in the same WGM group I was in for 10.4. As far as "Directory Utility" goes the only setting I changed is for the Novell setup... NFShomeDirectory variable is set to be "#/Volumes/Local_Homes/$uid$" instead of "#/Users/Guest".
Now when users log in the first time a home directory is created for them on login (this happens in my login hook) and most things seem to work properly. The user gets to the desktop and they have a home directory everything looks good except they don't have any of the MCX stuff! Unlike when I login as a local user or OD user I have full run of System Preferences (except of course for those settings which require Admin privileged). If MCX was taking place I would have a dock with Apps and access to only like 2 pref panes in System Preferences.
Initially I thought this was happening because the 1st time the user logs in they don't have a home directory... Maybe login hooks happen AFTER MCX so without a home things didn't happen.... However if this was the case then the 2nd login should be perfectly fine, but its not.
Right now "Directory Utility" is configured with elementary.gatewayk12.org (OD with all MCX and Staff users) 1st in the policy list and gatorm.gatewayk12.org (Student users) 2nd or last in the policy. Both servers are listed in the authentication tab again in that order. In the past this was enough to get MCX to come from Elementary, but auth as a student to Novell... I tried reversing the order, but that didn't make a difference either.
Something I noticed about when a student logs in authen to Novell.... When they first login this appears in the log:
Apr 16 16:38:49 Art-Lab-19 /System/Library/CoreServices/ManagedClient.app/Contents/MacOS/ManagedClient[775 ]: ODUGetMCXRecordWithCache(): [ODRecord setNodeCredentialsWithRecordType:"dsRecTypeStandard:Users" authenticationType:kDSStdAuthNodeNativeRetainCredential authenticationItems:["Ziggy_Topp", password]]) == -14177 (Unable to set extended node credentials for /LDAPv3/gatorm.gatewayk12.org.)
Apr 16 16:38:49 Art-Lab-19 /System/Library/CoreServices/ManagedClient.app/Contents/MacOS/ManagedClient[775 ]: ODUGetMCXRecordWithCache(): [ODRecord setNodeCredentials:"Ziggy_Topp"]) == -14177 (Unable to set node credentials for /LDAPv3/gatorm.gatewayk12.org with record name Ziggy_Topp.)
Apr 16 16:38:49 Art-Lab-19 /System/Library/CoreServices/ManagedClient.app/Contents/MacOS/ManagedClient[775 ]: MCXD.gatherUserInfoFor: ODUGetRecordGroups( Ziggy_Topp )) == -14177 (Unable to set node credentials for /LDAPv3/gatorm.gatewayk12.org with record name Ziggy_Topp.)
Staff members from Elementary looks like this:
Apr 16 16:41:00 Art-Lab-19 /System/Library/CoreServices/ManagedClient.app/Contents/MacOS/ManagedClient[910 ]: _LSSetDefaultSchemeHandlerURL("http") == -10813
Apr 16 16:41:00 Art-Lab-19 /System/Library/CoreServices/ManagedClient.app/Contents/MacOS/ManagedClient[910 ]: _LSSetDefaultSchemeHandlerURL("https") == -10813
Apr 16 16:41:00 Art-Lab-19 /System/Library/CoreServices/ManagedClient.app/Contents/MacOS/ManagedClient[910 ]: _LSSetDefaultSchemeHandlerURL("ftp") == -10813
Apr 16 16:41:08 Art-Lab-19 com.apple.loginwindow[901]: Password for root on localhost?
Apr 16 16:41:08 Art-Lab-19 com.apple.loginwindow[901]: lpadmin: Unauthorized
This repeats again at the end of the login session:
Apr 16 16:41:40 Art-Lab-19 com.apple.loginwindow[901]: _LSSetDefaultSchemeHandlerURL("http") == -10813
Apr 16 16:41:40 Art-Lab-19 com.apple.loginwindow[901]: _LSSetDefaultSchemeHandlerURL("https") == -10813
Apr 16 16:41:40 Art-Lab-19 com.apple.loginwindow[901]: _LSSetDefaultSchemeHandlerURL("ftp") == -10813
The same message for Staff members happens when I login with a local user too.... Checking with my 10.4 client as a reference the same login stuff is also seen over there not only for OD users and local users, but also for Novell Users.
One last thing I tried was to enable "Mobility" in my group. Since the mobility prompt normally comes up as soon as you authenticate I wanted to see if it would in this situation. For Local and OD Users the prompt came right up about Mobility... Unfortunately for my Novell users no message at all... I tested this against my 10.4 image and I had the prompt for all 3 types of users.
So am I doing something wrong now? There was a bunch of stuff in my login hooks that had to be rewritten to be more 10.5 compatible so maybe I am doing something in my config wrong. Could you maybe point me to a document that explains explicitly what is required for on a client for MCX to work properly? With NetInfo gone I'm not really familiar with how MCX is done now in 10.5.... I've done some research on the net but there isn't a lot documented right now about 10.5 and magic triangle style configurations. Of course any other info or thoughts are also greatly appreciated.

Wanted to add some more notes here. I sat down last night with my Novell guru and we tried some experiments to see if we could limit down this problem. I'll say up front that we were unsuccessful.
Anyways our first thought was to strip down the Unix template as far as we could. Using Penn States guide on how their 10.5 clients were setup we got it down to the point where all we had was "User" and "Default Attribute Types". Bare minimal config. Still no go. Same symptoms as previous where login is flawless, but there are no MCX preferences in play for the user. They have free rain on the computer like they were an admin more or less. Same MCX errors in the log as previously shown.
After that we wondered if our group ID could be throwing it off. To test this we set the "PrimaryGroupID" field to "#20" (20 is the local staff group.) Still no joy though. Same problem with the same errors.
Finally we were curious if it had something to do with rights in regards to maybe writing to the eDirectory. We binded the machine to eDirectory as an Admin user and we still had the same results. On a side note I don't bind any of my machines normally.
Looking through the logs we still haven't found anything outside of those 3 error lines to tell us whats going on. Again this stuff works perfectly fine with local users, users authenticated from our 10.5.2 Mac OD Server, AND from my OpenLDAP server running in Slackware Linux which has all of the OD schema stuff installed... All 3 no problems. Only when I try to go to eDirectory does this happen.
I think whats starting to worry me the most is we are suppose to buy more Mac's next year to start shifting some more of our existing ImacDV machines out of play. They will run 10.5 since thats the way they come from the factory now. We also plan to buy about 150 licenses of 10.5 to get all the teacher machines we just bought in September up to X.5 as well. All of these machines need Novell authentication and they all require MCX controlled security and preferences... This is not a good thing at all and I bet some of you guys who also have this problem are in the same boat!
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