Methods of installing tiger...

So I just picked up a 667 tibook from a friend. My ibook died, logic board problem and this one was sitting around so she gave it to me. I'm trying to do a fresh install of tiger and all I have are the tiger CD's, the four discs. The problem is, the cd/dvd drive seems to be uncooperative at best. Every time I put in disc 1, it just sits there, thinks about it for 10-60 seconds and spits it back out.
So the easy thing to do would be to replace the drive and be done with it or to do an install via firewire. Problem is, I don't have the DVD to act as a single image. Or am I missing something completely. I have a 500gb lacie firewire drive and a powermac G5 to use at my disposal.
Any ideas on how I should go about putting a fresh install on this machine with that I have? I've never done anything via firewire bewteen two machines, would need to go grab a 6to6 cable, but it should be easy enough.

Hi, amol. If the Tiger discs you have are in fact the CD Media Exchange set, you should be able to use them. You'd normally begin by starting your Powerbook up from Disc 1 of the set. Your original post doesn't make it clear whether you tried to start the PB from that disc, or merely inserted it into the drive when the PB was already up and running. The latter won't work as a means of installing anything, though the drive certainly should have read the disc anyway.
If you aren't able to start the Powerbook from that disc, the disc is dirty, damaged or defective, or the optical drive is dirty or malfunctioning. If the disc appears fine, you can resort to installing via FireWire Target Disk Mode. I've seen the instructions for doing so posted many times before, but after 25 minutes of searching Apple's forums, User Tips, and Knowledgebase, I'll be d**ned if I can find them anywhere, and I'm not confident that I can remember them completely. So if someone doesn't post in here soon with them, I suggest asking how to do that over in the Tiger Installation and Setup forum.

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This is the best method to install a new version of Studio!

Do it cleanly. By this I mean create a new fresh startup disk for the install of Studio. Whether for Studio 1 ,2 or 3, trust me. this method will get you to a really stable FCS system.
1. Backup everything you want to keep if you're using the same drive you've been using as your startup disk. Clone it if you'd like to save time digging around for the files you want to keep. Or buy a new drive for your tower and use it as a startup disk, keeping the earlier one until you've transferred all you need from it. (I have no less than 3 startup disks for my single tower here) One is a 250 gig drive, the other two reside on their own partitions of a second physical drive. I use one system for beta testing, reinstalling the OS each beta test, and one "working" system for daily real work environments, and yet another "backup" system which is there just in case I need it. (but never really do actually).
2. Load your latest OS disk, and restart your computer from it holding down the c key during a boot up, or selecting it from the startup disk control panel in the apple system prefs.
3. Once your computer starts up from the OS disk, select "optional installs" from the button you'll see in the window. From there select "erase and install" and install will begin.
4. After the OS install, run Software update and go all the way with it. There's nada out there that's not OK to install.
5. Install Studio. If it's an upgrade version, no problem to not install the earlier version you're upgrading from. Just have it's serial number handy because FCS will ask for it as well as the upgrade serial number.
6. Run Software upgrade again to make sure all of your FCS apps are up to date. INSTALL EVERYTHING that Software Update proposes to install.
7. You'll be a very happy camper.. it will also feel like your whole computer is faster because of this clean install of the OS you did...
It's not impossible to get a fine upgrade done without doing it as I've described above, but with the latest round of problems being posted about a new install, I gotta say that this clean method will fix all the problems being posted here and elsewhere. Why even bother taking the risk? What I've posted above will be THE WAY to make sure you're system is running right.
I've espoused this method of install any time you upgrade your OS (i.e., Tiger to Leopard or the upcoming Leopard to Snow Leopard upgrades about ready to hit us all) OR any time you install a new version of FCS or even a FIRST install of the studio. It's not all that time consuming, and running pro level software really demands that the system install is totally clean.
I oversee about 75 FCS stations at the Colorado Film School, we do this clean install every semester (4 months) on the systems there, and really have incredibly stable setups. Never really having the problems that get reported all over the forums... not only that, they boot fast, run fast, and just work.
When software companies test new versions of their software in beta, it's always asked by all software manufacturers to install their beta over a clean fresh OS... always... so there's a lesson here to learn from them, and also a hint: nobody chooses the "upgrade" button for a new version of said software, rather they are testing over CLEAN installs only. Makes perfect sense then to install new versions of software as complicated as this is over a clean new OS install.
Jerry

I fully support Jerry's advice. Though it is a little like the old auto repair manual I once had. If you looked in the section under "clutch replacement", it started out like this ...
*Clutch Replacement procedure.*
• elevate car - be sure to use jack stands to support vehicle
• remove engine
• with clutch pressure plate exposed ....
Of course, they never spelled out all that was involved in the "remove engine" step. So, in the interest of adding more detail to Jerry's advice on the "erase and install" process for those who have not done it before and might be intimidated - read on.
• Make a list of all Applications to install. Which ones do you need? Go through your Applications and Utilities folder and note which ones you'll want to reinstall. Note the version.
(I don't know about you, but I had a shocking number of apps I downloaded, used for a few times and never used again. Forget installing these disused apps.)
• If you are upgrading from a PPC to an intel machine, you'll want to know if the apps are UB or PPC. Upgrading your PPC software to UB can be a significant cost in a PPC to intel conversion. Know what you are getting into - do a search before installation to see if there is a UB version available. You can find out whether an app is PPC or UB by looking in System Profiler>Software>Applications. This window will also tell you the current installed version number. Generate a .pdf file of it and have everything listed for your records.
• In the list, note whether is was a download or you have a disk. If it was a download, find the DMG or installer package and copy it to an external firewire drive. Put it in a folder titled - Apps to be installed - or something easily identifiable.
• If you need to go back to a previous version (e.g. QT 6.5.2) download the dmg file BEFORE you start the installation process.
• In the list, note if the application is a full install or an UPGRADE. If an upgrade, make sure you have the previous version's disks (as well as the serial numbers - see below).
If the UPGRADE version does not require the previous version to be present - eg when installing the upgrade version of FCP 7, DO NOT install earlier software. All you'll need is the previous serial number. The way to figure this out is to try to install the newest version. If it needs the previous version present before proceeding, the install process will tell you that.
Some upgrades will require that a version of the previous app is on the disk. If this is the case, when you install the first version, simply install the minimum so the app will be on the hard drive. You will need to do this because there will be NOTHING on the disk after you do your clean erase.
• Referencing your list, find ALL your disks before you start. This includes previous versions if you are unsure whether they will be needed.
• Spend some time looking through this forum for Professional Application installation issues. The classic example is a conflict between Logic and FCP. Install FCP first and you'll have no issues.
• Sort your list into an installation sequence. Lay out your disks in that order.
• Referencing the list, make sure you have ALL your serial numbers including those you've downloaded. I've purchased a number of programs on line and the only documentation of the serial number was an email. All those are kept in a dedicated folder in Mac Mail. For serial numbers that arrived via electronic means, use cut and paste instead of re-typing whenever possible. This will prevent errors in transcription.
In making the list, TEXT EDIT works ok, (I use Excel). Text edit has the benefit of being easily readable on any mac. Print the list out for reference, put a copy on a flash drive or a firewire drive where you can access it to cut and past serial numbers during the installation process.
• Recognize this is going to take some time. Ranting, drinking too much coffee, swearing, sitting in front of the computer watching the progress bar, etc will not make things go faster. All it will to is put you in a really bad frame of mind. Do it over a weekend when you can be multitasking. While you are cleaning off the mountains of paper on your desk or raking the yard, you can take regular breaks to check on progress.
Process -
• Download Carbon Copy Cloner or one of the other backup utilities and do a full backup of your existing system drive to an external firewire drive. Make the drive bootable. *Do not* cheap out on this as this is your insurance policy. If you forget something or can not find a serial number, you often can find it and copy it from the backup system to the newly installed version. Or, if things go horribly wrong, you can simply copy the old system back to your computer and pick up where you left off.
If you have a MacPro or G5 tower, an alternative to cloning your existing system disk is to pick up a new hard drive to use as the clean new system disk. Your existing system disk will be the clone.
• Once you have gathered and organized all the materials and backed up the drive or installed the new system drive ...
• Insert your OSX installation disk and boot the computer from the disk (Jerry explains how)
• Erase the hard drive. Use the ZEROs option as this will map out any bad sectors. This will take time. See the note above.
• Install the OS. If it is an upgrade install, see the note above regarding upgrade installs. Repair Permissions and then run the updates. Repair Permissions.
• Install your applications following your list. Make sure to Repair Permissions after each install and update..
Have fun, be prepared for a few minor glitches. If you multitask, you can get the garage/ or office cleaned out and your computer rebuilt. In all honesty, this process took all weekend plus time in the next week as I discovered apps that needed additional updates, configuration settings, etc. No doubt it would have been faster if I was sitting at the console the whole time, but I was able to get the office cleaned up and organized (which also makes ME much faster). Overall it was a very slick process.
When you have a fully functioning system again (you have tested all applications and everything works), CLONE the new system and put your info, your notes and the disks in a safe place - once you've done this once, why go through the pain of organizing this stuff again ...
Now, rejoice in a much faster machine with a lot more free disk space.
Cheers,
x

Install Tiger with file sharing?

I have an Emac with a cd drive. I realize I can install Tiger via target disk mode with another Mac with dvd capabilities. I can also see how this might be the preferred method.
Is it acceptable/advisable to install with file sharing?

Is it acceptable/advisable to install with file sharing?
Do you mean NetBoot, ARD, or something else?
http://www.peachpit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=445094
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306051
(Vague reference).
FWTDM will be fastest, surest, easiest.

Cannot Install OS 9 After Installing Tiger ???

I've recently upgraded from a Beige G3 MT to a G4 Digital Audio. When I received the G4, it had OS 9.2 on it. Having larger (newer drives) in my G3, I swapped the 30GB in the G4 for 200 & 80GB drives that I had in the G3. Both drives are on a ATA/133 PCI card. I installed Tiger on the larger drive and the machine has been running fine since. The original CDRW has also been replaced with a Pioneer 107D
However, I now need to put 9.2 on the machine but no matter what I try, I cannot get it to boot up with my OS 9 install disc. I've tried the "C" method, the Startup Disc method and "Option" method. When holding the option key, it only shows the drive that has Tiger but not the OS 9 CD.
What am I missing?
PowerMac G4 Digital Audio Mac OS X (10.4.3) 733Mhz, 1GB Ram, Pioneer DVR-107D

Hi, Michael -
What version is the OS 9 Install CD? Is it a retail
one (white label, gold 9), or a model-specific one?
It's the retail version (white label, gold 9), one that I've had through my last 3 or 4 machines.
PowerMac G4 Digital Audio Mac OS X (10.4.3) 733Mhz, 1GB Ram, Pioneer DVR-107D

Re-install Tiger

I have OS X 10.4.6; the computer recently has been running slowly, and the sceen is B&W, no colors (when it boots the background is color, but turns B&W during the boot). A knowledgable friend suggested I re-install Tiger, but I can't find the disk. I almost surely received it in August 2005 as shown below; can I get a replacement Tiger disk at a reasonable cost?
Dick Ramsey
Shipping Method: Parcel/Ground
Product # Product Description Qty Price Ext Price
M9639Z/A OS X V10.4 "TIGER" RETAIL-INT 1 129.00 129.00
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Dick, welcome to Discussions:
I would suggest that you call Apple at 800-692-7753 and give them the information you have. Whether or not they will send you a replacement I don't know, but it's certainly worth asking.
And by the way, posting here is perfectly proper, you have a question about Tiger, and people here will try to help you answer it.
Please post back and let me know how you made out,
Miriam

Problems booti and install Tiger on a G4 running 9.2.2 from an external DVD

G4 PCI powermac, just a cd drive built in, running 9.2, sees external iomega dvd drive, reads dvds, cds, but when I try loading tiger from a dvd there are problems.
I puu the tiger disc in, click on install, then get a message that startup disc cannot set this drive as the startup disc (or similar). Restarting and holding the c key doesn't work- I get blinking question mark and have to disconnect the iomega drive, put the 9.2 cd in the internal drive and restart again holding down c key to get anything. Then, running from the cd I can reset the startup disc to the hard drive. Neither can I install tiger running 9.2 from the internal cd, with the tiger DVD in the Iomega drive- it sees it, but requires that the tiger install disc be the startup drive, and we go around again if I try that.
Q- is this possible, ie to load tiger on a PCI 400mhz powermac from an external DVD drive? has anyone done it? how?
Thank you.
by the way, PCI 400mhz powermac- doesn't need firmware updating, can't be put into target mode, can't boot from a firewire device (and I have tried, just in case)

Joe, thank you very much for your post. The PCI G4 won't boot from an external USB dvd drive. Part of the apple support site says it will, another part says it won't. It won't. And it's well documented that the PCI G4 won't boot from a firewire device, neither can one put it into target mode.
The method Joe suggests does work. I arrived at it independantly, with this method- I ran 9.2 from a CD and partitioned the internal hard drive 10GB dive, ended up with two 5GB partitions. then installed 9.2 on one partition.
Restarted and I'm running 9.2.
Then copied the Tiger install dvd from an external dvd rom, just a normal drag n drop copy, while running 9.2 (you can't do this under OS X) Then set the startup disc as the partition with the OS X install files on it.
(I copied the Tiger files ontot he partition that wasn't running 9.2)
Pressed restart, a long wait and then it sprang into life and installed OSX on the other partition, but without asking if I wanted a clean install- it just installed it alongside the 9.2 system folder.
I had to specify no extras, it prompted for that, via a message that said free space was tight.
All went well and it's running 10.4.4
Problems that have arisen- 1. won't update the system. Downloads the files via software update, then says it can't use them. The update dmg files from the apple site won't work either.
2. won't shut down properly- goes to a blue screen, then stays there- I have to unplug it every time.
Otherwise ok.
prior to working this out out, I visited the local apple store- no cd copies of tiger, exchange program withdrawn. Suggested I call apple. Did so, was directed to technical support. Technical support, very nice guy but knew zero about this.
this is really a bit of fun for me, I have other macs, so no worries, but if anyone has a copy of Tiger on CD, I'd really like to borrow it.
Thanks everyone
Mike

I don't have a dual-layer drive, can I install Tiger or Leopard?

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Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, and Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard come on what appear to be larger than 4.7 GB discs. This does not mean you need a dual layer drive to install them. Some Macs capable of installing Tiger or Leopard came with a built-in CD-RW, or CD-ROM drive. For those a compatible Firewire DVD drive for booting Mac OS X can work instead of replacing the internal drive. Tiger also came in a limited edition Media Exchange Program CD installer package, which you may be able to find in the open market. The limitation for each is dependant on other hardware:
1. If your Mac shipped new with no Firewire, you may be able to install Tiger a special third party addon software known as XPostFacto.
2. If your Mac shipped new with less than 867 Mhz built-in processor (including dual processor 800 MHz or less), you may be able to install Leopard with a special third party addon software known as Leopard Assist.
3. If your Mac shipped with a processor upgrade card installed, and #2 is true, a firmware update may be available from the processor upgrade card vendor that allows Leopard's installation.
4. Tiger needs at least 256 MB of RAM.
Leopard needs at least 512 MB of RAM.
If you have a lot of dashboard widgets, you may need to increase RAM to improve performance on either operating system. The RAM needs to follow Apple's specs to ensure smooth operation. Only get RAM with a lifetime warranty.
5. Officially you need for Tiger:
"At least 3 GB of free disk space; 4 GB if you install the XCode 2 Developer Tools" from: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1514
And officially for Leopard you need:
"9 GB of available disk space or more" from http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3759
However, I would add to that if your hard drive doesn't have at least 15% of the drive free in addition to that, you may experience significant slowing down in the operating system function. This number has been arbitrarily discovered by many users.
6. When installing Tiger or Leopard, if your machine shipped with Panther (10.3) or earlier, be sure to get the retail Tiger or retail Leopard.
The Tiger installer is a san serif gray and white X with a spotlight on the center of the X on a black background.
The Leopard installer is a san serif black and gray X on a pink galaxy centered on a black background.
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Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, and Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard come on what appear to be larger than 4.7 GB discs. This does not mean you need a dual layer drive to install them. Some Macs capable of installing Tiger or Leopard came with a built-in CD-RW, or CD-ROM drive. For those a compatible Firewire DVD drive for booting Mac OS X can work instead of replacing the internal drive. Tiger also came in a limited edition Media Exchange Program CD installer package, which you may be able to find in the open market. The limitation for each is dependant on other hardware:
1. If your Mac shipped new with no Firewire, you may be able to install Tiger a special third party addon software known as XPostFacto.
2. If your Mac shipped new with less than 867 Mhz built-in processor (including dual processor 800 MHz or less), you may be able to install Leopard with a special third party addon software known as Leopard Assist.
3. If your Mac shipped with a processor upgrade card installed, and #2 is true, a firmware update may be available from the processor upgrade card vendor that allows Leopard's installation.
4. Tiger needs at least 256 MB of RAM.
Leopard needs at least 512 MB of RAM.
If you have a lot of dashboard widgets, you may need to increase RAM to improve performance on either operating system. The RAM needs to follow Apple's specs to ensure smooth operation. Only get RAM with a lifetime warranty.
5. Officially you need for Tiger:
"At least 3 GB of free disk space; 4 GB if you install the XCode 2 Developer Tools" from: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1514
And officially for Leopard you need:
"9 GB of available disk space or more" from http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3759
However, I would add to that if your hard drive doesn't have at least 15% of the drive free in addition to that, you may experience significant slowing down in the operating system function. This number has been arbitrarily discovered by many users.
6. When installing Tiger or Leopard, if your machine shipped with Panther (10.3) or earlier, be sure to get the retail Tiger or retail Leopard.
The Tiger installer is a san serif gray and white X with a spotlight on the center of the X on a black background.
The Leopard installer is a san serif black and gray X on a pink galaxy centered on a black background.
This is the 1st version of this tip. It was submitted on Dec 23, 2009 by a brody.
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How do I install Tiger on a G3 iMAC from an external DVD drive?

I want to install Tiger on my PPC G3 iMAC. It is 500MHZ with 512 MB Ram, running 10.3.9. It has a CD drive, but CD version of Tiger is no longer available. I purchased a retail version of Tiger, and, on the advice of the Apple Store personnel, purchased an external DVD drive. It is a USB Lacie drive. My iMAC sees the DVD, but when I click the Install icon, it has a Restart button. Clicking the button restarts for 10.3.9. Same thing happens when I use the "C" key. When I try to assign the DVD drive as the startup drive, it says "ding" and won't assign it. What can I do next?

Take the DVD drive back and exchange it for a Firewire model. You cannot boot the iMac from a USB drive. This is basic information your Apple store personnel should know unless you failed to tell them what Mac model you have.

How to properly clean install: erase, partition hard drive, and install tiger then SL

Hello,
     I am a noob at this, so if responders would be kind enough to be detailed / specific with any instructions it would be most helpful! I own a dinosaur apparently (even though I don't think so): the white (not unibody) Intel macbook2,1 (late 2006) 1.83 GHz with currently 1GB of RAM, but I have 2x2GB RAM sitting next to me ready for install. However, first I would like to do a clean uninstall of my computer (running OS X 10.6.8 SL). I also would like to properly partition my hard drive while I'm at it.
     About 6 months ago I had serious crashing issues, along with kernel panics, hangs, applications randomly appearing & disappearing, system settings and options doing the same, fans running high (probably due to the low RAM available), and basically overall screwiness. So, after trying pretty much every option I could find on this community...and many others... (e.g. clean cache, clean old logs, already did a clean uninstall and install of SL, and much much more) I have reached my wits end. I would say that to date I've wasted a good solid 2 months with this.
     The clean install worked for MAYBE a month or so, but then it started acting up again with the fans (even without high pages in/out, CPU or memory usage) and excessive heat, along with the apps freezing and quitting (mind you it would be only two things open such as 1 word document and then firefox-- with flash disabeled). SOOOOOO long story short, I have purchased new RAM and I would like to try this once again, but to ensure I don't screw it up this time I would like some directions as to how to do the uninstall, partition, then reinstall. (currently to date I ensured all updates are completed---even though they are no longer released for SL, and I just did a full backup).
     Also, I need to first install Tiger (my original OS) as when I went to do a hardware test the other day this was not an option (and upon further research it is due to me not using Tiger as a first install and then using my mac box set for SL). I didn't use my original OS first because....one issue encountered when I had tried to install Tiger was that my Disc 2 (the applications one) took around 1.5 hrs to complete, but when I reached the last step of glory where I expected it to say COMPLETE it instead said that there was some sort of issue with the disc..........of course).
     Any help would be greatly appreciated.

1: If near a Apple Store or Authorized Repair, take it to then for a free evaluation, it might have other hardware problems now that it would be a waste of effort even continuing.
2: The RAM needs to be
Maximum Memory
3.0 GB (Actual) 2.0 GB (Apple)
Memory Slots
2 - 200-pin PC2-5300 (667MHz) DDR2 SO-DIMM
Basically what this means is you can put in a 2GB module and a 1GB module for 3GB total.
I wouldn't proceed with installing RAM just yet, not until you get a stable OS X version on the machine, you might have a hard drive needing to be replaced as well which you can do while inserting new RAM.
3: This User Tip can assist in installing 10.6 Snow Leopard, partition format etc.
How to erase and install Snow Leopard 10.6
Software Update fully immediately after setup.
There is no need to install Tiger, he 10.6 disk contains the full 10.6 version, you can either install the iLife from Tiger disks or use Pacifist from Charlesoft to extract them and place on your new install, then Software update to get them current.
4: If not successful then the drive also likely needs to be replaced, if so choose a 7,200 RPM SATA I w/1.5Gb/s connection.
Install/upgrade RAM or storage drive in Mac's
Repeat #3
If your getting beeping noises or "you need to restart" issues, it's likely one or more of the RAM modules is bad. Have it exchanged or swapped.
I advise good quality RAM the first time, if you buy cheap stuff it's just going back.
Don't go any further than 10.6.8 with that old machine, the performance will be terrible.

HELP! Stuck in a Loop after Erase & Install Tiger 10.4

Here's what happened:
My old G4 PPC PowerMac suddenly started running everything (including on startup) very slowly. A weird sound was coming from the HD? (not sure) but it sounded like it was constantly doing something. The sound was a regular: chik, chik, chik...glikglik.
*Did a Verify for Disk Permissions & HD Volume, found a load of problems & tried to fix from my Tiger CD/DVD Install disc on startup.
*No luck...as there was an "Incorrect number of thread records" & Volume could not be fixed.
*Backedup everything onto external HD
*Did Erase & Install Tiger 10.4
*Everything seemed fine (the weird sound stopped) so I started installing all standard Updates- Java etc & my iTunes music.
*Weird sound returned but not as constant, so I did a Verify & fixed Disk Permissions and HD Volume from my Tiger CD/DVD Install disc on startup again. Successful this time. Volume was fine.
*Used Onyx to do verify Volume. Volume fine.
[Bare with me;)]
*Started to import all my backup files. The weird sound returned with a vengence! Argh! Everything slowed down even worst than before.
*Decided to Erase & Install again. Done, but now I'm stuck in the Welcome to Tiger loop: Welcome Tiger animation which crashes halfway through, then takes me to settings for language, location, Mac sign in...loops back again to Welcome.
I am a complete dummy when it comes to computers, so have tried to follow instructions/advice to the T. I don't have a clue what is going on. Please anyone out there, help!

Best to ask about hardware questions on the appropriate hardware forum. That said...
Unless for some reason you want to keep hold of an old computer for specific features not present in a newer computer it is almost always cheaper to buy a newer used computer rather than upgrade hardware in an old one. Since you're talking upgrading multiple features that is almost certain.
A consideration: Snow Leopard is now out. This is pushing pre-Intel Macs towards into obsolescence. I already see a number of software vendors who say they do not support Tiger any more. Some may soon start saying they no longer support pre-Intel Macs. Although I find my G4 and Tiger to still be perfectly usable, if my G4 were to die today and I was interested in a used computer I might seriously look at a used Intel Mac. There's a bit of a jump at the PPC + Tiger to Intel + Leopard-plus boundary and it will become more noticeable soon. If you can afford it I would suggest not being more than one big generation behind in terms of software and hardware, and in this case maybe not even one major generation in terms of hardware. To summarize, if it were me I would be looking for a used early Intel Mac running Leopard currently so I could ensure there still being support for the next few years.
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After Clean Instal Tiger, upgrading to 10.4.7. many errors appeared

I wiped my boot drive, installed tiger, upgraded combo 10.4.7. Created anount account user. Things were spiffy for a moment until I mounted my firewire drives and some dmg file. BLAM! CRASH! MAYDAY MAYDAY! RUN FOR COVER into the apple forum! I've search forums for several problems and was unable to find solution but did on my own.
Errors:
Media ejectables: DMG, firewire drives, cd, dvd would not appear (but would on other users) I tried permission fix, disconnecting, whatever.
Internal audio wasn't working. Volume control was dissabled, and volume icon dissappeared from menubar after clicking it.
Worse of all: My icons on my sidebar were missing, desktop icons were randomly missing. I did comand J on finder and select show icon and show preview. That worked until log out, log in. Icons were switched around to the wrong ones, I thought I was on mars.
What else, well didn't get around much since I tried to deal with one problem at a time - it became overwhelming.
Before erasing the drive and reinstalling for another try, I decided to trash all my contents in my prefs folder in my home/personal directory (didn't empty trash). Logged out and back in. I'm back in business!
Those of you may want to try that and may have to re-adjust all your settings, serials, etc. Or you could drag some prefs back to folder to to find culprit or just the ones you really need. When happy with everything... Take out the garbage!
Hope it works for you as well.

It's explained as is. Delete some preference files.

Trying to install Tiger on 17" flat screen imac 800mhz. PLEASE HELP!!

I posted on this board a few days ago about installing tiger on my 17” imac G4 800 mhz Flat Panel.
My computer is running well and with no problems.
My current OS is jaguar 10.2.8 and 9.2.2.
I have 35gb free on my hd.
I have just installed new 517mb memory.
I purchased the Full Retail 10.4 Tiger ref M96392Z/A
I have run
Disk First Aid
Disk Warrior
Hardware Check
All passed
I have repaired permissions.
I have unplugged everything except the keyboard and mouse.
I have inserted the the installation DVD and gone through the first 2 stages.
On reaching the selection of the HD
It reads “Some volumes are unavailable until the installer has finished processing”
The HD image is greyed out and if I place the cursor over it a message appears saying “This volume is not yet available.
There is a spinning wheel in the top right hand corner of the box.
Aware that this is a large upgrade and could be slow, I have left the box and spinning wheel for 7 hours.
No Change.
I went ‘back’ and opened disk utilities. When I try and verify the disk it reads “Cannot unmount”
I am a retired person and I am begining to think I will die before I can install Tiger.
Help Me Please!!!
imac G4 flat 17" screen Mac OS X (10.2.x) 800 mhz

Can't you borrow a friend's external drive ?
You could use mine but I live a bit far away (10 hours flight)... unfortunately for you ...
If you have important data on your drive you should anyway consider such an external hard drive for easy, safe and fast backup ! Prices droped significantly and a low capacity (120 gig) external firewire drive shouldn't cost over $100.-- (unlike a computer, they easely fit in a safe when you are away for a long period...)
You could ask someone (reliable) or Apple centre to change the internal drive by remplacing it with a new faster one. This way you may put the old drive in an empty (you should buy an external drive case, I suggest a sarotech FW/USB II and a maxtor drive) case you could use as backup drive.
This solution is a little more expensive but has the advantage of a longer (+/-3 years) factory waranty on the drive ("ready to use" external drives are cheaper but usualy carry only one year waranty).
Best regards
coolapic
Mac OS X (10.4.3)
Mac OS X (10.4.3)

Installing Tiger on a Macbook Pro that came only with Leopard

Hi guys,
Any ideas on how to install Tiger onto a Macbook Pro that came preloaded with Leopard, and only has a Leopard disc?
I've got a refurbished Macbook Pro recently. Realised that one of my application doesn't work, Capture One Pro. Visited Phase One's website and they said it only supports 3.9 and above at the time it was released, which makes it 10.4.10.
Systems in the story below: Macbook Pro Core Cuo. Macbook Pro C2D (new set), Mac Pro, iMac Core 2 Duo
Here's what I've tried
1. I've an original disk that came with my MBP CD. When I try to boot from that disk on my MBP C2D, it gives me the crash screen -> "please hold the power for secs to restart".
2. I've tried installing Tiger onto my iMac and did a harddisk clone via Carbon Copy Cloner (CCC) to my MBP CD. Tiger was able to run on my MBP CD fine.
3. Then I tried using CCC to clone it over to my MBP C2D. It doesn't work. Shows me the crash screen.
4. I've tried installing Tiger on my Mac Pro. Used CCC to clone over the disk image to MBP C2D. Doesn't work too. Crash screen.
5. Created disk images of Tiger with Disk Utility on iMac, Mac Pro. Tried to restore using the iMac, Mac Pro disk images of Tiger. Doesn't work. Shows me the crash screen.
6. Updated Tiger to 10.4.11 on my Mac Pro. Created disk image using Disk Utility. Restored MBP C2D with it. Crash screen on load.
I'm out of ideas and Apple Support won't open until Monday.
It seems that this MBP C2D is set on not installing Tiger, no matter what. Wonder if getting hold of a Tiger retail disc will do the trick?

You can install tiger onto a MacBook Pro up to version 3,1.
Run System Profiler and under hardware:
Hardware Overview:
Model Name: MacBook Pro
Model Identifier: MacBookPro4,1 This line is the model number!
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2.4 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 3 MB
Memory: 2 GB
Bus Speed: 800 MHz
Boot ROM Version: MBP41.00C1.B00
SMC Version: 1.27f1
Serial Number: XXXXXXXXXXX
Sudden Motion Sensor:
State: Enabled
I have got tiger installed onto this MacBookPro which is the latest 4,1 model, but you require the latest Tiger disk (which the Apple Genius had in my case), but the volume, brightness and trackpad gestures do not work! Everything else is fine.

Install Tiger 10.4 on a Pismo

I've read a few posts here about problems installing Tiger on a Pismo, which fails and ends up with kernel panics. I've had a few problems like this in the past.
What I've found in my experience is that most of the trouble stems from having more than 512MB of memory installed. From what I've read online, the problem here is that 512MB modules weren't available when the Pismo came out, which means that only 2 x 256MB was the maximum memory. Installing more than 512MB seems to cause problems or conflicts when installing 10.4.
This may not be the case for everyone, but I've seen this problem on 5 different Pismos over the years. So what I've done on my own Pismo and on a few friends' Pismos is that, when you want to install Tiger 10.4, be sure to have no more than 512MB installed; please note that a single 512MB module works fine. You can then install Tiger and, after you're up and running okay, you can then re-install the 512MB module. This way, I know of 5 Pismos running 10.4.11 with 1GB of memory (2 x 512MB) and they work great.
Still love the old Pismo, great for writing and the web on the go (with internal Airport or Airport Extreme-compatible PCMCIA card), great for watching DVDs, really rugged, great keyboard, and you probably don't have to worry as much about someone stealing it, as you would with a Macbook Air.

Yes, it's a bit strange. I think I remember reading this somewhere on the web years ago, and when I and a few others had the aforementioned problem - i.e., attempt to install Tiger ended up with a failed install and kernel panics - I remembered the solution about having only 512MB installed, which did indeed work. On no less than 5 different Pismos over the years.
I mentioned this only because I read another thread here about someone having similar problems, but the thread had been closed, so I started a new one, in the hope it might help others.
The interesting thing is that, once Tiger installs okay, you can reinstall the second RAM module and not have any problems. I went up to 1GB of RAM and have updated Tiger to 10.4.11, which runs very well on the G3/500 Pismo. I installed a faster HD with 7200 rpm and it all runs pretty quick. Other upgrades include a DVD burner and a PCMCIA card that is recognized by the OS as an Airport Extreme card, so needs no 3rd party drivers (the card is a Motorola WN 825G). Also have a Belkin USB Bluetooth key, which is recognized by the OS as an Apple Bluetooth card, but I don't use it much.
All in all, the Pismo still runs great.

Installing Tiger to a iMac G3-700 SE

Hi everbody,
Recently purchased a DualCore G5 2GHz. Awesome machine. It came with pre-installed Tiger OS. I'd like to upgrade my older computer as well. Therefore I have a few questions, all help is highly appreciated.
1: Can I install Tiger to an iMac G3-700? Or is there a minium hardware requirement?
2: I assume Tiger installer CD is a DVD-Rom. Therefore my iMac was not able to read it. Is there any other way to use the installer CD toward older computers without DVD reading capabilities? What if I cpoy the installer CDs to an externa hard drive, can I run the install from there?
3: Do you think an iMac G3-700 (512mb ram) would be too slow on Tiger OS?
Thanks in advance!

Mac OS X Version 10.4 requires a Macintosh with:
PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor
Built-in FireWire
At least 256MB of physical RAM
A built-in display or a display connected to an Apple-supplied video card supported by your computer
At least 3.0 GB of available space on your hard drive; 4GB of disk space if you install XCode 2 developer tools
DVD drive for installation (get CD media for $9.95)
The Tiger retail install package and the Tiger install package that ships with a new Mac purchased is on DVD media.
The Tiger install package that ships with a new Mac purchase is model and system configuration specific and cannot be used to install Tiger on another Mac model. If this were possible, it would be a violation of the single user license agreement that you agreed to and against the law.
If your iMac meets all other minimum system requirements except for having a DVD drive, purchase the Tiger retail install package and if the iMac is capable of Firewire Target Disk mode, you can connect your old and new Mac together this way to install the Tiger retail install package on the iMac.
If not, you can use Apple's Media Exchange Program to exchange the Tiger retail DVD media for CD media.

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