MIRO problem for Second Stage dealer scenario

Hi All,
I have created a purchase order to the trader in which i have taken Inclusive of excise tax code.
Now while doing MIGO i have make a tick to MRP indicator also change the base value in excise tab & fill the fields of BED, ECS & HECS whatever vendor has pass on to me & post the document.
Now in MIRO also i have change the base value & simulate the document where the extra G/L of Inventory is appearing.
That amount is 2 % i.e. CST on GR/IR clearing amount of MIGO.
Because of that 2% amount less credited to vendor account.
Please help to resolve the issue.
Regards,
Nandkishor Nachane

Hi,
Since you are choosing the correct tax code @ the time of MIRO, the actual CST calculation is happening at the time of MIRO. Hence it will get posted to the inventory. Please check your MIGO/GR postings. I hope there wont be any CST calculation during GR since you have mentioned a dummy tax code in your PO.
Hope its clear.
As per my understanding the system behaviour is correct.
Thanks & Regards,

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Please follow another following process.
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Note : Subject is FAQ & widely discussed in forum,
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Dealer case mapping in SAP
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I am facing a scenario in two of our projects where the vendor happens to be a second stage dealer. This means that he has actually purchased the raw material from the manufacturer, and paid the excise to manufacturer.
Now this vendor gives us an invoice where he has included excise duty in the invoice amount. This invoice amount also includes his own commission. The excise duty remains same as was paid to the manufacturer.
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With reference to the query., pls note that you can put the 1180 in the unit price and assessable value or the per unit excise amount*qty in the Assessable value field. In the PO or GRN where you are putting the data be sure to have the Assessable Value and Tax Amount (LC) fields on. So you can put the assessable value and go to the tax amount table and put all the data in the tables and update it.

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As per my knowledge in the purchase order the Excise duties should come with zero value but in my case it is calculating automatically.
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FI document at the time if migo my base value + cst (670110+14800)=684910.00
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SECess - 24
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Tax button. Simulated values are correc for base value,ED,ECS & Shecs.
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or
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