Moving a layer group should not incure a performance hit (init a set of layers vs recursive)

I have finally taken the time to understand the behavior of the slughish performance of moving layer groups.
On my computer in CS6:
1. If I have just 2 layers in a layer group. Selecting both of them and ctrl-dragging them around is smooth and responsive.
2. If you have however select the layer group which contains just these 2 layers, the performance is obviously and terribly impacted. The drag is slow and choppy. With just 2 it is unbearable with regards to workflow but with a large layer group the performance it is utterly unusable. I am now looking to test what occurs in older versions.
I am a programmer. Not only that, I am a programmer who regularly targets 16 milliseconds on the scene and model graph. Learn to code and learn to program with hitting a 16ms user experience. That means abstraction culling to perform a minimum number of operations for a feature vs inertia, not the logically beautiful and sound abstractions we all would love to have on infinite computation. That's the reality of performance optimization. Performance optimization should be refered to as abstraction culling because that's what it is.
It should not make any logical difference how a set of layers is initilized for a transform. Please initialize the arrayed set of layers from the hierarchy of groups instead of executing your obviously flawed and unoptimized recursive routine.

I'm just not seeing a difference in performance between dragging a single layer around, multiple individually selected layers together, or a whole group of layers (where the group is what's selected in the Layers panel).
I tested on both Photoshop CS6 and CC. I'm on Windows 8.1. And I can honestly say I've never seen the layers panel scroll slowly.
That's not to say I'm seeing instantaneous, smooth moves of layer data - with a sufficiently large image, the update rate goes down to where the frame rate of moving things is quite visible - e.g., 4 or 5 frames per second - but that's still interactive, and it has always been like this with Photoshop as far back as I can remember. If anything, moving data around has gotten a bit snappier in Photoshop CC.
You may well have something specific going wrong on your system, or with your particular document.
Why not post a copy of a specific test image on which you can reproduce the issue, and that you'd like others to test with. I'll be happy to drag layers and groups around in it and report back.
That reminds me, I need to get software installed to capture my desktop as a video, as I need to make a training video soon.
-Noel

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