Multi-camera timeline edits all messed up

Sometimes when I reopen a project, the edits I made using Premiere CC's new multi-camera sync and editing tools are all out of whack. Toward the second half of my edits they will start switching out with shots that weren't even the same layer or camera... It has happened twice to me so far.
I merge clips, sync, create the timeline from sequence, do some multi-camera editing, and then go back and make adjustments to the timeline because some clips are out of whack. Everything seems to work fine and then all of a sudden it's all messed up!
Does this happen to anyone else?
Side note: Don't try to adjust the "speed/duration" of an edit on a multi-camera timeline, it crashes

By referring to merge clips I mean the new workflow where you select clips you want to sync in the project panel and right click > "Merge clips."
I wrote that in kind of a rush and the terminology with the new type of sequence that represents a multi-camera sequence (but the icon is different from a timeline and you create a timeline with it that you edit it in using multi-camera editing mode) is a little fuzzy to me.
I think there is bug somewhere though in editing on that timeline you create from the multi-camera sequence... possibly having to do with edits made that are beside the multi-camera ones, like if I use the razor tool and move something. I am going to try to look into it more.

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I have a client project that has me wondering what workflow to use and I someone on this forum probably has the expertise to know the right solution. My requirements...
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Question 1: what do you suggest as the lowres format I should convert my AVCHD footage to for multi-camera playback/editing in Premiere?
Question 2: do you think it's even possible to buy a desktop PC that can handle playback of 4 multicam AVCHD native format files in Premiere in real time? I'm concerned this may be too much for even the most powerful systems, and I would need to resort to editing lowres footage even with the most powerful desktop. As you know, decompressing one or two AVCHD streams is taxing to a PC so 4 at once is a challenge.
Question 3: an alternative workflow would be to feed live video out of the HDMI connectors on the cameras into four HDMI capture cards (Intensity Blackmagic) and capture uncompressed HDV bypassing AVCHD compression altogether, but the disk space required would be substantial. Does this make sense? I've even considered feeding those 4 HDMI feeds into a video switcher between the cameras and PCs but the cheapest solution I can find that can provide genlock (frame sync) between the 4 cameras for clean glitch-free switching is quite expensive, thousands of dollars invested.

I must playback in Premiere the 4 video streams in real time
Good luck with that. Many folks have trouble with even one stream.
edit those offline low res copies to get my edit decision list
I'm not sure offline editing with AVCHD will be possible because of the folder structure. You may not be able to 'replace' the lower res copies with AVCHD.
My output format is Flash F4V 640x360 px square pixels for Internet playback.
Oh, man. Shooting HD of any flavor is just overkill that adds unnecessary work to the process. Have your client shoot in DV.

After update to CC from CS6 multi-camera playback/edit now glitchy

Hi Forum Friends,
I finally made the move from CS6 to CC last week and now I am diving back in to some projects that were already in progress during the upgrade (which went smoothly).
However, I am now finding that my ability to playback multicam clips for edit is greatly degraded, with lag, hanging and "not responding" pauses really slowing me down. I haven't crashed it yet, but as the problem becomes more clear to me I'll update this thread.
Has anyone else had this experience? Does anyone have a clue they can loan me?
I am running CC on Win7sp1 with 6GB RAM and an NVIDIA Quadro 2000 GPU. Nothing about my workflow or raw media (Canon XF) has changed except the CC update.
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Eric D - CoralVision

Sooo... This problem is still plaguing me, and shunting all of my productions through FCPX is not a sustainable solution! Besides I am paying for this!
Let me clarify the outline of the issue - although I once assumed that my problem was associated with a widely bemoaned .MFX media error extant before the last PrProCC update, I can now say that my .MXF problems were only a subsidiary issue. My problem (sometimes identified in the event viewer in CC as "audio dropout in adobe player") is a HANG.
Today I am working in PrPro CS6.0.5 (under my CC subscription) and here is what I see: Occurring every 10-25 seconds of playback (multicam editing), it lasts 4-10 seconds (screen freezes, audio freezes) and then resumes from the moment of the hang. PrPro then executes any keystrokes that happened during the hang (eg. save, pause playback, or cut to a diff. cam. angle). In the resource monitor, I see two kinds of hangs: 1) CPU activity drops to zero and then surges before the moment of recovery, but CPU and disc I/O never approach capacity. Curiously, RAM (used physical memory) also notches down to 0, then immediately comes back up to the previous level. 2) CPU and disc activity both surge to capacity at the moment of the freeze and stay up near full bore for the duration and for several more seconds, while RAM holds steady. In this variation of the hang, the number of instances of "adobe premiere pro.exe" in the "Disk" window multiplies to 25-30 or more, then after recovery returns to the normal 4-6 instances.
Clearing/deleting media cache seems to make no change.
Kevin Monahan FYI I am still out here needing some help and encouragement.
I'm gonna go burn an hour trying to chat with support...
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Multi-Camera edits not applied

Hi and thanx in advance for your help.
Premiere Pro CS5. Windows 7 Pro 16 GB RAM lots of disk space. Premiere It is patched with all patches except the latest Facebook synch patch. This started a month ago. It may be related to the number of Timelines in a project. On my last project I started having this problem after about 10 Timelines were created in the project (a multi-song music video shoot). In my current project (a 6 hour talking head seminar) I now have about 10 Timelines and it started doing it again so that may be a related issue.
I am doing a four camera shoot. I create a base timeline with all four cameras for each speaker. I then use that speaker's base timeline to create a multi-camera edit timeline that I edit with the Multi-Camera Monitor window editing function. If I stop to make an immediate correction or to take a break, I restart by clicking the timeline window to make it the active window and opening the Multi-camera Monitor editing window and start editing. I'll go 10 or 15 minutes and stop only to find none of the edits are applied, The edits are exactly as they were before I started back up. Once I get about 10 timelines or so I begin to see this behaviour. This behaviour is inconsistent and there is no way to know if the edits will be applied until I stop.
I could try breaking up the project but each individual speaker's timeline is pulled from the primary timeline that contains all the speakers. (I copy the synched multi camera tracks and paste them into a new timeline for each speaker.)
Does ayone know what causes this?
Or how to fix it?
Again Thanx in advance,
mel

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Multi-camera monitor all windows black...

I just installed the latest update of CC which appears to have fixed my instance of the bug that set all edit points on the multicam timeline point to the start of the Multicam file after restart. However now I have the problem that the multi-cam monitor has all windows black even though they show in the program monitor composite setting, and in the sequence that contains the source files for the multicam file.
I got it to work once and finished another 4 minute piece from my concert, but now I don't know what I did to get it to work, how to get it back again nor what caused it to go black in the first place although it appeared to happen right after I exported a segment of the sequence to a youtube movie.
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I can't edit sound during multi-camera editing

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When I work with multi-camera I can't cut audio. Only video. You can see it in picture. I can't find any settings to fix it. What should I do? Premiere Pro

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Pr cs4 (very new)
Still taking baby steps each day... please take my hand and help me!
Final output will be 2 DVD's (each DL) each about 2 hrs. Content are chamber music student groups in two recitals.
I have assets from two camera angles. I have successfully practiced on one of the groups performance (10 min.) following the steps illustrated in a multi-cam tutorial. http://www.adobe.com/designcenter/video_workshop/?id=vid0234
This leaves me with a great multi-cam sequence for that group located in the Project Panel, exactly what I want.
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I have yet to use Encore and I'm guessing that is where I'll send the finished edit for DVD production, though I don't know at what step I jump there?
Do I try to create one very long multi cam sequence of all the content, then send to Encore? Or can I create seperate multi-cam sequences (each performance) then link them together, adding transitions and make the DVD? This would be my preference to keep things more manageable, especially with audio synching.
With my practice multi-cam sequence on the timeline, I tried to drag the same sequence from the Project Panel to the end of the timeline to simulate how this would work, but it does not add to the timeline as a clip would.
This is probably childs play for you pro's, but we were all baby's at one time...I just happen to still be one!
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Yes I did...now toss me a cookie please.
I am trying to quickly get up to speed in Pr CS4 to get this project completed. In the process, I'm trying to learn and understand the interface and correct terminology so as to make my questions intelligible to a community that posses vastly greater understanding than myself.
Is there anyone who can help with my main question at hand? Namely, how to go about creating a full length sequence (in the timeline) made via the nesting of synchronized multi-camera clips within a new "multi-cam sequence"?
As I said, I have completed a small test sequence in this fashion, nesting clips in a new sequence then using multi-cam monitor to record cuts. Now I need to add about 10 more of these together in a completed sequence to then send to DVD production.
Is this intelligible?
Thanks, Kenny
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please take my hand and help me!
Well, at least you had the gumption to admit that up front.
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CS6 Multi-camera greenscreen & multicam monitor?

Does anyone know if there's a way to do Multi-Camera Monitor editing, when the source footage uses multiple cameras against a greenscreen, when the greenscreen replacement layer is to be unique for each of the 3 angles?
I recently shot a few instructional videos in a greenscreen studio. My setup was such that I had 3 cameras, for three different angles, and remotely-recorded audio.
Now in the process of editing, I've hit a bit of a wall, and was hoping for some help.
I'm using Premiere Pro CS6, and I've set up the project as such:
The sequence in the timeline has 6 video layers: 1 layer for each of 3 camera angles, and 1 unique background replacement layer for each camera angle.
Now I want to use Multi-Camera Monitor to do my angle cuts. The problem is that Multi-Camera Monitor sees the 6 different video layers as unique camera layers.
I want to know if there's a way to do multicamera editing such that I can lock each camera and background replacement layer - such that Multi-Camera Monitor sees them as one.
My first attempted workaround was to create individual sequences for each of the 3 angles give them the background replacement treatment, then nest each of these into a new sequence, and go from there. The problem I've found in doing this is that the audio waveform display for each of the individual sequence layers disappears (once they are nested in the big sequence) - so I didn't see a way to sync things up without an audio source.@
I *could* always create and export each of the angles and replace the greenscreen for each as it should be, export each of them, and drag these to the Project panel to use as my new "original layers". Just seems like a lot of extra work, and that there would be an easier way to do all this.
Also thinking I could create a master source sequence (every angle, background replacement, audio, synced up), duplicate it three times and delete 2 of the camera angles in each, then combine each in a nested sequence with the audio, then make my cuts in yet another sqeuence with Multi-Camera Monitor. Again, seems like this should be easier somehow.
Any advice would be very helpful. I couldn't seem to find any answers elsewhere. Thank you in advance.

Thanks for the note.
I thought about the first option - the problem is perspective (The background is slightly different for each angle, not uniform). And dragging the backgrounds to a BG layer later would be somewhat time intensive.
Nesting is interesting, but I've got so many of these videos, the Multicam Monitor way of editing together angles seems like it would be less work in the end.
Here's the workflow I think I'm going to go with:
Create a 'Master Source Sequence', and align everything. (Angle 1, Background for angle 1, Angle 2, Background for angle 2, Angle 3, Background for angle 3, Audio tracks).
Duplicate this sequence 3 times. Delete all elements from each copy except for one of the cam angles, and rename each to 'Cam 1 Sequence', 'Cam 2 Sequence', 'Cam 3 Sequence'.
Drag each of these 3 to a new sequence, called 'Prep for Multicam Sequence'.
Drag this to 'Mutlicam Cut Sequence', drag in external audio tracks from 'Master Source Sequence', cut with Multicam as normal.
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So, that means that premier was not saving my file correctly, even though it was displaying correctly inside the program at that time. Then, when media encoder opened it for export the nested sequence was out of sync from the original, and today when I reopened it in premier it showed everything out of sync.
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Do you have this checked on in preferences?
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Hello,
Working in CC. I have 2 camera angles that were filmed with 2 DSLRs, and mic'd audio that was recorded into a Zoom H4N. Audio recording never stopped, but due to the nature of DSLRs, the 2 cameras would stop recording every 12 +/- minutes. In this end, I have:
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Hello everyone - I wanted to share some issues I've come across while using Audio to sync multiple camera angles....
For my music video shoot I have two cameras and an external recorder where I capture the audio and then edit in GarageBand or Adobe Audition. The problem I've discovered is that when I sync the clips using audio it will degrade the quality of my finalized audio clip.
Basically, something is happening to the audio clip quality once Premiere completed the synchronization process. I've rendered the video, exported the video etc... But there is still audio quality degradation.
I've compared this with Final Cut Pro X and the Audio in FCP X remains unchanged and is not altered in any way.
Has anyone else experienced this issue?

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I shoot tech videos on YouTube and I edit my own videos, so I guess I am the operator & observer here...
Am shooting a tutorial...
Cam 1 - My Camcorder that shoots the phone
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I guess am messing up something but am unable to identify what..
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Sequence Preset - Automatic
Audio Sequence Settings - Camera 1
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Camera Names - Enumerate Cameras
Any Idea where am messing up?
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Adobe Premiere CC, Trying to Sync 2 camera for Multi cam edit.

Hi,
I am at present trying out Premeire CC, my workflow is usually a minimum of a 2 camera shoot for weddings, what I am trying todo in CC is to try and sync all the clips together for a multi cam sequence ready to edit.
I have followed various options fropm Adobe TV and some you tube videos with no luck.
I have 2 folders imported one folder for cam 1 and second folder for cam 2. I select all the clips and select the new multi cam option, and choose audio for syncing. CC status bar come up and looks like it is syncing, however at the end a error comes up saying one or more clips could not be synced.
at present with CS6 I put both camera footage on one timeline video 1 video 2, I then export as an xml, and use red giant plural eyes for syncing, I then import xml back into premiere, and all files are synced pretty good. I would say 90 to 100% of time without to many issues.
can some one advise if this is possble is CC, if so whats the best method. thank you
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I have to edit a show I did not shoot- 3 panasonic AF100A cameras supposedly synched TC wise, with the main camera receiving a feed the show audio board. Each camera has a different view, so I obviously want to pick and choose the best coverage to make a lean looking show a tad better. I've been told the best option is to edit in multi-camera mode. True? Using an iMac, with show files on an external HD. I imported each of the files into the project by clicking the 'private' folder for each. Then I selected them all, selected multicam option and then show in timeline. Couple of questions: do I need to sync the beginning of each clip or does the TC take care of that? It appears my main video and audio track is off a bit- should I just pull all the tracks as far to the left as possible to ensure timeline synching?
How do I view each camera at the same time, so I can compare footage?
I'm not ignorant, I just haven't used Premiere in years and I'm primarily a shooter, so any help or advice is appreciated

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