Needless inline styles and span tags

OS: Win XP SP 2
Product: RoboHelp HTML 6
Output: WebHelp
I am finding some instances of needless inline styles and
span tags in some topics in a project. Around these problematic
instances are plenty of instances that have no problem. I used
non-problematic instances as guides for correcting the problematic
instances. Fortunately, RH hasn't overwritten any of my
corrections.
I am concerned about the insertion of needless inline styles
and span tags at two levels. First, I see them as indicators of
inconsistency. Whether the inconsistency is in myself or in RH, I
don't know (but I want to eliminate it). Second, needless code is
wasteful (esp., wastes time in code view).
Has anybody seen this before? Does anyone know or suspect a
cause?
SAMPLE 1
RH6 created: <p><span><span
style="font-weight: normal;">blah blah yaddi
yaddi</span></span></p>
I corrected: <p>blah blah yaddi yaddi</p>
SAMPLE 2
RH6 created: <p style="font-weight: normal;"><span
style="font-weight: normal;">blah blah yaddi
yaddi</span></p>
I corrected: <p>blah blah yaddi yaddi</p>
SAMPLE 3
RH6 created: <p style="font-weight: bold;"><span
style="font-weight: bold;">blah blah yaddi
yaddi</span></p>
I corrected: <p style="font-weight: bold;"><>blah
blah yaddi yaddi</p>

Some of this has to do with how users have applied styles in
WYSIWYG mode; for example, if you double click a word (which
selects the space after) and apply Bold, then later select the word
by dragging the cursor to select only the word (which doesn't
select the space after), RH will usually surround the selected
characters with "normal" span tags and often leave the bold in
place.
This same type of style formatting might have been repeatedly
done in the original form that might have been imported (Word,
Frame, etc.). So, then, if you compound the code bloat from an
imported file with additional formatting in RH, well you do the
math.
I've seen code wherein a six-word sentence might be saddled
with as many as 10-12 SPAN tags and might stretch into 6-7 lines of
code!
However, these are still flat files, not binary; you'd need a
ton of extra code to increase the aggregate file size a lot. Heck,
your graphics will usually take more room than your topics. One of
our child projects has 153 .htm files at 3.25 MB, whereas the
aggregate of .gif, .jpg, and .bmp graphics exceed 4 MB. My view has
always been this: until the underlying code affects the format I
expect to see in my output, I consider extra SPAN and KADOV tags to
be nothing but white noise.
Good luck,
Leon

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out.write("\r\n<input type=\"hidden\" name=\"rpt_no\" value=\"<%= rpt_no %>\">\r\n<input type=\"hidden\" name=\"optnOpen\" value=\"0\">\r\n<table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 class=\"bdsyl\">\r\n<tr>\r\n<td class=\"innframe\">\r\n\r\n\t<table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=5 class=\"bgcol_1\">\r\n\t<tr>\r\n\t<td class=\"fsyl_1\"><font class=\"fsyl_6\">��</font> ��E/td>\r\n\t<td>\r\n\t\t\t<select name=\"rptDivCombo\">\r\n<%\r\n\tstrSelected = \"\";\r\n\tnLen = 0;\r\n\tif(arrOskCodeNameRptDiv != null) nLen = arrOskCodeNameRptDiv.length;\r\n%>\r\n<%\r\n\tfor(int i=0;i<nLen;i++) \r\n\t{\r\n\t\tString cd = arrOskCodeNameRptDiv.getCode();\r\n\t\tString nm = arrOskCodeNameRptDiv[i].getName();\r\n\t\tString value = cd + SKConstants.SEPARATOR + nm;\r\n\r\n\t\tstrSelected = \"\";\r\n\t\tif(cd.equals(rpt_div)) strSelected = \"selected\";\r\n%>\r\n\t\t\t\t<option <%= strSelected %> value=\"<%=value%>\"><%= nm%></option>\r\n<%\r\n\t}//for loop\r\n%>\r\n\t\t\t</select>\r\n\t</td>\r\n\t</tr>\r\n\t<tr>\r\n\t<td class=\"fsyl_1\"><font class=\"fsyl_6\">��</font> �� E��</td>\r\n\t<td>\r\n\t\r\n\t\t\t<select name=\"prortyCombo\">\r\n<%\r\n\tstrSelected = \"\";\r\n\tnLen = 0;\r\n\tif(arrOskCodeNameProrty != null) nLen = arrOskCodeNameProrty.length;\r\n");
out.write("%>\r\n<%\r\n\tfor(int i=0;i<nLen;i++) \r\n\t{\r\n\t\tString cd = arrOskCodeNameProrty[i].getCode();\r\n\t\tString nm = arrOskCodeNameProrty[i].getName();\r\n\t\tString value = cd + SKConstants.SEPARATOR + nm;\r\n\r\n\t\tstrSelected = \"\";\r\n\t\tif(cd.equals(prorty)) strSelected = \"selected\";\r\n%>\r\n\t\t\t\t<option <%= strSelected %> value=\"<%= value %>\"><%= nm %></option>\r\n<%\r\n\t}//for loop\r\n%>\r\n\t\t\t</select>\r\n\t\r\n\t</td>\r\n\t</tr>\r\n\t<tr>\r\n\t<td class=\"fsyl_1\"><font class=\"fsyl_6\">��</font> ��E/td>\r\n\t<td><input type=\"text\" size=4 maxlength=4 name=\"rpt_dt_yyyy\" value=\"<%= rpt_dt_yyyy %>\">�� <input type=\"text\" size=2 maxlength=2 name=\"rpt_dt_mm\" value=\"<%= rpt_dt_mm %>\">��E<input type=\"text\" size=2 name=\"rpt_dt_dd\" maxlength=2 value=\"<%= rpt_dt_dd %>\">�� <input type=\"text\" maxlength=2 size=2 name=\"rpt_dt_hh\" value=\"<%= rpt_dt_hh %>\">��E<input type=\"text\" size=2 maxlength=2 name=\"rpt_dt_mi\" value=\"<%= rpt_dt_mi %>\">��E<span class=\"fsyl_2\">�E��E/span></td>\r\n\t</tr>\r\n\t<tr>\r\n\t<td class=\"fsyl_1\"><font class=\"fsyl_6\">��</font> �� E��E</td>\r\n\t<td><input type=\"text\" size=20 name=\"rpt_user\" value=\"<%= Util.forHidden(rpt_user) %>\"></td>\r\n");
out.write("\t</tr>\r\n\t<tr>\r\n\t<td class=\"fsyl_1\"><font class=\"fsyl_6\">��</font> ��E/td>\r\n\t<td>\r\n\t\r\n\t\t\t<select name=\"rptRegiUserCombo\">\r\n<%\r\n\tstrSelected = \"\";\r\n\tnLen = 0;\r\n\tif(arrOfUserName != null) nLen = arrOfUserName.length;\r\n\r\n\tfor(int i=0;i<nLen;i++){\r\n\t\tString[] arrTemp = UzUtil.extractTokens(arrOfUserName[i], SKConstants.SEPARATOR);\r\n\t\t\r\n\t\tstrSelected = \"\";\r\n\t\tif(arrTemp[0].equals(rpt_regi_user)) strSelected = \"selected\";\r\n%>\r\n\t\t\t\t<option <%= strSelected %> value=\"<%= arrOfUserName[i] %>\"><%= arrTemp[1] %></option>\r\n<%\r\n\t}//for loop\r\n%>\r\n\t\t\t</select>\r\n\r\n\t\r\n\t</td>\r\n\t</tr>\r\n\t<tr>\r\n\t<td class=\"fsyl_1\"><font class=\"fsyl_6\">��</font> ��</td>\r\n\t<td><input type=\"text\" size=70 name=\"rpt_title\" value=\"<%= UzString.forHidden(rpt_title)%>\"> <span class=\"fsyl_2\">�E�E00��E��E/span></td>\r\n\t</tr>\r\n\t<tr>\r\n\t<td valign=top class=\"fsyl_1\"><font class=\"fsyl_6\">��</font> ��E��</td>\r\n\t<td nowrap><textarea wrap=\"physical\" rows=10 cols=72 name=\"rpt_txt\"><%= UzString.htmlEncodeForHidden(rpt_txt) %></textarea> <span class=\"fsyl_2\">�E�E000��E��E/span> </td>\r\n");
out.write("\t</tr>\r\n\t<tr>\r\n\t<td valign=top class=\"fsyl_1\"><font class=\"fsyl_6\">��</font> ��E��</td>\r\n\t<td><textarea rows=5 cols=72 name=\"rpt_effct_lmt\"><%= UzString.htmlEncodeForHidden(rpt_effct_lmt) %></textarea> <span class=\"fsyl_2\">�E�E00��E��E/span></td>\r\n\t</tr>\r\n\t<tr>\r\n\t<td valign=top class=\"fsyl_1\"><font class=\"fsyl_6\">��</font> ��E�� </td>\r\n\t<td><textarea rows=5 cols=72 name=\"reappr_cnd\"><%= UzString.htmlEncodeForHidden(reappr_cnd)%></textarea> <span class=\"fsyl_2\">�E�E00��E��E/span></td>\r\n\t</tr>\r\n\t<tr>\r\n\t<td nowrap class=\"fsyl_1\"><font class=\"fsyl_6\">��</font> ��E/td>\r\n\t<td><input type=\"text\" size=4 name=\"rply_prf_dt_yyyy\" maxlength=4 value=\"<%= rply_prf_dt_yyyy %>\">�� <input type=\"text\" size=2 name=\"rply_prf_dt_mm\" maxlength=2 value=\"<%= rply_prf_dt_mm %>\">��E<input type=\"text\" maxlength=2 size=2 name=\"rply_prf_dt_dd\" value=\"<%= rply_prf_dt_dd %>\">�� <input type=\"text\" maxlength=2 size=2 name=\"rply_prf_dt_hh\" value=\"<%= rply_prf_dt_hh %>\">��E<input type=\"text\" maxlength=2 size=2 name=\"rply_prf_dt_mi\" value=\"<%= rply_prf_dt_mi %>\">��E<span class=\"fsyl_2\">�E��E/span></td>\r\n");
out.write("\t</tr>\r\n\t<tr>\r\n\t<td>��</td>\r\n\t<td align=right><input type=\"button\" value=\"��\" onClick=\"openOptn()\"></td>\r\n\t</tr>\r\n\r\n\t<tr id=\"com\" style=\"display:none\">\r\n\t<td colspan=2>\r\n\t\t<table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=5>\r\n\t\t<tr>\r\n\t\t<td class=\"fsyl_1\"><font class=\"fsyl_6\">��</font> ��E/td>\r\n\t\t<td>\r\n\t\t\t<select name=\"crrspndUserCombo\">\r\n<%\r\n\tstrSelected = \"\";\r\n\tnLen = 0;\r\n\tif(arrOfUserName != null) nLen = arrOfUserName.length;\r\n\r\n\tif(crrspnd_user.equals(\"\")) strSelected = \"selected\";\r\n%>\r\n\t\t\t\t<option <%= strSelected %> value=\"<%= SKConstants.NOTSPECIFIED %>\">��E/option>\r\n<%\r\n\tfor(int i=0;i<nLen;i++){\r\n\t\tString[] arrTemp = UzUtil.extractTokens(arrOfUserName[i], SKConstants.SEPARATOR);\r\n\t\t\r\n\t\tstrSelected = \"\";\r\n\t\tif(arrTemp[0].equals(crrspnd_user)) strSelected = \"selected\";\r\n%>\r\n\t\t\t\t<option <%= strSelected %> value=\"<%= arrOfUserName[i] %>\"><%= arrTemp[1] %></option>\r\n<%\r\n\t}//for loop\r\n%>\r\n\t\t\t</select>\r\n\t\t\r\n\t\t</td>\r\n\t\t</tr>\r\n\t\t<tr>\r\n\t\t<td class=\"fsyl_1\"><font class=\"fsyl_6\">��</font> ��E/td>\r\n");
out.write("\t\t<td>\r\n\t\t\t<select name=\"fndngDivCombo\">\r\n<%\r\n\tstrSelected = \"\";\r\n\tnLen = 0;\r\n\tif(arrOskCodeNameFndngDiv != null) nLen = arrOskCodeNameFndngDiv.length;\r\n\r\n\tif(fndng_div.equals(\"\")) strSelected = \"selected\";\r\n%>\r\n\t\t\t\t<option <%= strSelected %> value=\"<%= SKConstants.NOTSPECIFIED %>\">��E/option>\r\n<%\r\n\tfor(int i=0;i<nLen;i++) \r\n\t{\r\n\t\tString cd = arrOskCodeNameFndngDiv[i].getCode();\r\n\t\tString nm = arrOskCodeNameFndngDiv[i].getName();\r\n\t\tString value = cd + SKConstants.SEPARATOR + nm;\r\n\r\n\t\tstrSelected = \"\";\r\n\t\tif(cd.equals(fndng_div)) strSelected = \"selected\";\r\n%>\r\n\t\t\t\t<option <%= strSelected %> value=\"<%= value %>\"><%= nm %></option>\r\n<%\r\n\t}//for loop\r\n%>\r\n\t\t\t</select>\r\n\t\t\r\n\t\t</td>\r\n\t\t</tr>\r\n\t\t<tr>\r\n\t\t<td class=\"fsyl_1\"><font class=\"fsyl_6\">��</font> ��E��</td>\r\n\t\t<td><input type=\"text\" maxlength=4 size=4 name=\"crrspnd_fin_pln_dt_yyyy\" value=\"<%= crrspnd_fin_pln_dt_yyyy %>\">�� <input type=\"text\" maxlength=2 size=2 name=\"crrspnd_fin_pln_dt_mm\" value=\"<%= crrspnd_fin_pln_dt_mm %>\">��E<input maxlength=2 type=\"text\" size=2 name=\"crrspnd_fin_pln_dt_dd\" value=\"<%= crrspnd_fin_pln_dt_dd %>\">�� <span class=\"fsyl_2\">�E��E/span></td>\r\n");
out.write("\t\t</tr>\r\n\t\t<tr>\r\n\t\t<td class=\"fsyl_1\"><font class=\"fsyl_6\">��</font> ��E��</td>\r\n\t\t<td><input type=\"text\" maxlength=4 size=4 name=\"crrspnd_fin_dt_yyyy\" value=\"<%= crrspnd_fin_dt_yyyy %>\">�� <input type=\"text\" maxlength=2 size=2 name=\"crrspnd_fin_dt_mm\" value=\"<%= crrspnd_fin_dt_mm %>\">��E<input type=\"text\" size=2 maxlength=2 name=\"crrspnd_fin_dt_dd\" value=\"<%= crrspnd_fin_dt_dd %>\">�� <span class=\"fsyl_2\">�E��E/span></td>\r\n\t\t</tr>\r\n\t\t<tr>\r\n\t\t<td valign=top class=\"fsyl_1\"><font class=\"fsyl_6\">��</font> ��</td>\r\n\t\t<td><textarea rows=8 cols=72 name=\"cause_txt\"><%= UzString.htmlEncodeForHidden(cause_txt) %></textarea> <span class=\"fsyl_2\">�E�E000��E��E/span></td>\r\n\t\t</tr>\r\n\t\t<tr>\r\n\t\t<td valign=top class=\"fsyl_1\"><font class=\"fsyl_6\">��</font> ��E��</td>\r\n\t\t<td><textarea rows=10 cols=72 name=\"crrspnd_txt\"><%= UzString.htmlEncodeForHidden(crrspnd_txt) %></textarea> <span class=\"fsyl_2\">�E�E000��E��E/span></td>\r\n\t\t</tr>\r\n\t\t<tr>\r\n\t\t<td valign=top class=\"fsyl_1\"><font class=\"fsyl_6\">��</font> ��E/td>\r\n\t\t<td><textarea rows=8 cols=72 name=\"rlps_prvnt_schm\"><%= UzString.htmlEncodeForHidden(rlps_prvnt_schm) %></textarea> <span class=\"fsyl_2\">�E�E000��E��E/span></td>\r\n");
out.write("\t\t</tr>\r\n\t\t</table>\r\n\t</td>\r\n\t</tr>\r\n\r\n\t<tr>\r\n\t<td valign=top class=\"fsyl_1\"><font class=\"fsyl_6\">��</font> ��E/td>\r\n\t<td>\r\n\t\t<table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0>\r\n\t\t<tr valign=top>\r\n\t\t<td><input type=\"radio\" name=\"mail_sendto_div_radio\" checked onClick=\"mailCheck(true)\" value=\"<%= SKConstants.CD_ONE + SKConstants.SEPARATOR + \"��\" %>\">�� <input type=\"radio\" name=\"mail_sendto_div_radio\" onClick=\"mailCheck(false)\" value=\"<%= SKConstants.CD_ZERO + SKConstants.SEPARATOR + \"��E��\" %>\">��E��Enbsp; </td>\r\n\t\t<td>\r\n<%\r\n\tstrSelected = \"\";\r\n\tnLen = 0;\r\n\tif(arrOskCodeNameGroup != null) nLen = arrOskCodeNameGroup.length;\r\n\tint nExtra = (nLen/2) + (nLen%2);\r\n%>\r\n<%\r\n\tfor(int i=0;i<nLen;i++) \r\n\t{\r\n\t\tString cd = arrOskCodeNameGroup[i].getCode();\r\n\t\tString nm = arrOskCodeNameGroup[i].getName();\r\n\t\tString value = cd + SKConstants.SEPARATOR + nm;\r\n%>\r\n\t\t\t\t<input type=\"checkbox\" name=\"send_mail\" value=\"<%= value %>\"><%= nm %><br>\r\n<%\r\n\t\tif((i+1) == nExtra)\r\n\t\t{\r\n%>\r\n\t\t\t</td>\r\n\t\t\t<td> </td>\r\n");
out.write("\t\t\t<td>\r\n<%\r\n\t\t}\r\n\t}//for loop\r\n%>\r\n\t\t</td>\r\n\t\t</tr>\r\n\t\t</table>\r\n\t</td>\r\n\t</tr>\r\n\t<td>��</td>\r\n\t<td align=right><br><input type=\"submit\" value=\"��\" name=\"saveReport\">��<input type=\"submit\" value=\"��\" name=\"regReport\"></td>\r\n\t</tr>\r\n\t</table>\r\n\r\n</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n");
int evalDoAfterBody = jspxth_sk_form_0.doAfterBody();
if (evalDoAfterBody != javax.servlet.jsp.tagext.BodyTag.EVAL_BODY_AGAIN)
break;
} while (true);
if (_jspx_eval_sk_form_0 != javax.servlet.jsp.tagext.Tag.EVAL_BODY_INCLUDE)
out = pageContext.popBody();
What I found out that scriptlets are also encluded in string however they should not be enclosed.
Is it a bug? or do I need to change my taghandler class...?
Any suggestion, any help ll be really helpful
Regards,
Susheel

Hi,
I am able to resolve it,
Actually I was using the body content as tagdependent instead of jsp.
However the body content tagdependent works in Tomcat 3.3.1 and weblogic 5.1, 6.0.
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