Negative Discounts

Hello,
We are currently having a situation where AR invoices pick negative discounts for certain items under certain business partners. These items have been given discounts under the special prices. Has anyone ever expirienced something like this before ?
How do the special prices and discounts work in SAP 2005?

Hi Martin
You can define date-dependent special prices for particular periods. If an item is sold within one of these periods, the date-dependent special price applies, ignoring the price in the price list.
       1.      Choose Inventory ® Price Lists ® Special Prices ® Special Prices for Business Partners.
The Special Prices for Business Partners window appears.
       2.      In the Special Prices for Business Partners window, make your general settings to define the special price of an item for a business partner.
       3.      Double-click a row to open the Special Prices u2013 Items u2013 Selection Criteria Window. Enter the required dates, price list, discount and price and choose Update.
If no date-dependent special price has been defined for an item, the system assumes that the customer-specific special price has been valid since the date on which it was added. The system enters the special price with the appropriate valid-from date in the first row.
       4.      To save the modified special prices, choose Update in the Special Prices for Business Partners window.
Defining Quantity-Based Special Prices for a Business Partner
       1.      Choose Inventory ® Price Lists ® Special Prices ® Special Prices for Business Partners.
The Special Prices for Business Partners window appears.
       2.      Double-click a row to open the Price List Item Details by Period Window.
       5.      Double-click a row to open the Special Prices Hierarchies window.
After you enter or change the price, the system automatically calculates the discount from the difference between quantity-based and the date-dependent special price.
       6.      To confirm your entries, choose Update in the Special Prices u2013 Hierarchies window and the Price List Item Details by Period window.
       7.      To save the modified special prices, choose Update in the Special Prices for Business Partners window.
Discount
1.      Choose Inventory ® Price Lists ® Special Prices ® Discount Groups.
The Discount Groups window appears.
       2.      Enter the business partner code.
The name of the business partner appears. The standard search functions are available to help you find the business partner in the system
The discount groups are defined in accordance with the item groups, the item properties or the manufacturers.
The item groups defined in the system are displayed in the form of a list.
       3.      In the Discount % field, enter the required discount for each item group.
This example illustrates the effect of the discount group:
If a customer purchases an item for which no special price has been defined for this customer, but which belongs to an item group with a discount, the discount is granted and entered in the order.
       4.      To define new item groups in this window, choose New Group.
       5.      To reset the entries made, reset the discount to zero and choose Reset.
       6.      After you have made all your entries, choose Addto save the discount groups.
Ashish Gupte
Edited by: Ashish gupte on Jul 1, 2009 8:53 PM

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I just wanted to run this by ye and see if ye think it would be OK.
For Shipping, we use actual Items to represent the shipping costs.
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