Nested Styles For Magazine review section

Hey Everyone,
I have been trying to get my head around this nested style for the magazine issue this month. I've recently just switch over from using Quark for the past 9 years so I need all the help I can get. Okay, what I need is for this column nested style to make the first line (bold character style) the second line (italic character style) the 3rd line (small italic character style) Then in the body text I need the Italic character style to be inserted in between the brackets < > and the brackets removed
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I have gone through all the tutorials online and I'm really finding it hard to do this by myself, this is how far i've got up to.
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still i'm unable to remove the brackets successfully this is the settings i used in my nested style [URL=http://img263.imageshack.us/i/picture37e.png/][IMG]http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4629 /picture37e.png[/IMG][/URL] [URL=http://g.imageshack.us/img263/picture37e.png/1/][IMG]http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/pi cture37e.png/1/w433.png[/IMG][/URL]
I'm hoping for the column to look like this [URL=http://img24.imageshack.us/i/picture35t.png/][IMG]http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2036/pi cture35t.png[/IMG][/URL] [URL=http://g.imageshack.us/img24/picture35t.png/1/][IMG]http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/pictu re35t.png/1/w139.png[/IMG][/URL]
I have attached an indesign document, If you have any idea how to help
Thanks
Chidi

Yeh sorry first post I thought the camera icon was just for videos.
Okay, what I need is for this column nested style to make the first line (bold character style) the second line (italic character style) the 3rd line (small italic character style) Then in the body text I need the Italic character style to be inserted in between the brackets < > and the brackets removed
I have gone through all the tutorials online and I'm really finding it hard to do this by myself, this is how far i've got up to.
still i'm unable to remove the brackets successfully this is the settings i used in my nested style
I'm hoping for the column to look like this

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