Nesting "No Breaks" in a paragraph style?

(Apologies if this has been asked and answered.)
Is it possible to define my body copy paragraph style to automatically apply "no breaks" to the final two words in the paragraph?
I'm pretty good about scanning through the text looking for paragraphs ending with one little word hanging off the end, but it'd be nice to automate it.
An alternative would be to define a minimum word count allowed on a single line. (Not useful for subheads!)
Thanks.

Aha!
That's true that ...
... equals 2 words!
No other comment! but you can take a look to this interesting post: http://forums.adobe.com/message/2280546#2280546

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[Jongware] wrote:
Did you try Scott's advice: set the Space After of that last paragraph to 20 inch?
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(new to scripting) Only allow certain paragraph styles to break to next column/page

Hi all,
As stated, I'm very new to scripting. I've done a few small scripts to automate Photoshop tasks and such. I'm in the process of trying to learn Javascript as much as possible, with the hope of bringing about more efficiency for our small production department. It's a daunting task, but I'm trying my darnedest.
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I'm all over paragraph styles and next styles option, all good, sweet. Love em but...
But when I'm flowing in a long document with multiple text frames on different pages I would like the first paragraph in each of those text frames to be paragraphy style A, then using next styles let it follow on through B, C, etc, till then next time it see's a column/page/frame break character then go back to heading style A.
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Eugene Tyson wrote:
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What you want is to have the space before and/or the space after set to add that space.
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I am importing XML into InDesign (CS5.5) and the tag mapping to styles is working fine until I get to a paragraph style that contains a nested style.
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In InDesing properly styled looks like this:
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I'm creating a training manual and I am having trouble with paragraph styles. Here's an example of what I am trying to do:
"The Dog walks up the hill"
In the above example, I have created a style for the bolded text and connected it my table of contents. The idea is when I create and update the TOC, "The Dog" will be the entry with the remaining text omitted from the TOC. The issue I am having is because the text is on one line, I cannot have multiple styles. I've tried writing just "The Dog" and then either changing the style or deleting the paragraph break to connect the text below to the main line. Once I erase the paragraph break and the text is on one line, only ONE style is maintained. Now, I can modify the character style; however, because the paragraph style is still the one connected to the TOC, the entire paragraph appears in the TOC.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated! I've searched everywhere to no avail.
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ajmiddle18 wrote:
I'm creating a training manual and I am having trouble with paragraph styles. Here's an example of what I am trying to do:
"The Dog walks up the hill"
In the above example, I have created a style for the bolded text and connected it my table of contents. The idea is when I create and update the TOC, "The Dog" will be the entry with the remaining text omitted from the TOC. The issue I am having is because the text is on one line, I cannot have multiple styles. I've tried writing just "The Dog" and then either changing the style or deleting the paragraph break to connect the text below to the main line. Once I erase the paragraph break and the text is on one line, only ONE style is maintained. Now, I can modify the character style; however, because the paragraph style is still the one connected to the TOC, the entire paragraph appears in the TOC.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated! I've searched everywhere to no avail.
Thank you very much for your support.
It depends on the breed of dog.
Is the paragraph always a single line?
Is this dog the leader of the pack? IE, does the phrase you want to keep always begin the paragraph? If so, then you can separate the dog from the pack in the TOC. One way is to surround the pack with a unique character or marker in the main text, like End Nested Style Here, - one after dog, and another after hill, and create a paragraph style for the doggie paragraph to use in the TOC. This paragraph should contain a nested character style that applies microscopic text properties, like paper character color, font .1pt, and horizontal scale .1%. The TOC entries should use nested paragraph styles; the source paragraphs need you to insert the End Nested Style Here markers. The nested style definition in the TOC paragraph styles should apply no character style through the first end nested style marker, then apply microscopic through the next end nested style marker. This will shrink the walks...hill text to an invisible speck, so small that it shouldn't interfere with tab leaders and page-references.
Another approach is to use a single-row table for the heading, with the dog pent nicely in the left cell, and the pack in the right cell. Each cell contains a paragraph, so only extract the dog to the TOC.
Search Google for terms like "InDesign hide part of paragraph in toc knowhowpro," "InDesign suppress part of paragraph in contents knowhowpro," "InDesign two paragraph styles on one line," and similar phrases without quotes for some good discussions and a variety of approaches that include layers, anchored frames, and conditional text.
Search Google for terms like "InDesign conditional text," and "InDesign nested paragraph styles," without quotes for details.
http://forums.adobe.com/message/3206266 has a long discussion that may shed some additional light.
HTH
Regards,
Peter
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How to apply multiple paragraph styles to one sentence?

I'm using paragraph styles but is not helpful because I'm trying to apply 2 different styles within the same sentence which is not working.
To make it work I select the sentence, apply the style, for instance "xfont-regular" then I select the word within the sentence that I want it to have a different style and I choose from the font list maybe italic so that it looks "something like this"
Obviously by doing this, I'm loosing all the benefits of using p styles and of course it's so time consuming. Is there any way to break the sentence, keeping it in the same line, so that I can apply different styles to it? and still keep the benefits of just going to the styles and make the changes to the whole document that have that style applied.
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pchinique wrote:
I'm using paragraph styles but is not helpful because I'm trying to apply 2 different styles within the same sentence which is not working.
To make it work I select the sentence, apply the style, for instance "xfont-regular" then I select the word within the sentence that I want it to have a different style and I choose from the font list maybe italic so that it looks "something like this"
Obviously by doing this, I'm loosing all the benefits of using p styles and of course it's so time consuming. Is there any way to break the sentence, keeping it in the same line, so that I can apply different styles to it? and still keep the benefits of just going to the styles and make the changes to the whole document that have that style applied.
Thank you
As Diane King mentioned, nested character styles may work for your need. Her example was an initial dropped capital (multi-line first one or several letters of a paragraph.) Dropped caps are a specific type of nested style - always the first one or more characters in a paragraph, two or more lines high.
To use the general kind of nested style, you need to be able to identify the word or words within the paragraph that gets the nested character style. For example, the third word, or the first two words after the first semi-colon. If there is no pattern of word(s) that can be identified by position or sequence, it's possible that a GREP style can be used to find a common pattern of characters and apply a character style to it, for example a telephone number, date, or currency amount that's identified by a dollar sign, pound, or yuan.
Search InDesign Help and Google for "InDesign nested style," "InDesign grep style," and similar terms (without quotes) for details. There have been many discussions of GREP on this forum.
HTH
Regards,
Peter
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Okay folks, I have another one for all you smart people out there. I think GREP can be used to change formatting in the following instance, but I have no idea how to set it up.
I have a very long document, essentially a phone book-type listing of names, phone numbers, addresses, well over 150 pages' worth. The paragraph styles are fairly simple, only two per listing. The name/phone number is bold with a right hand tab with leader dots to a phone number that is flush to the right side of the column. The following lines are flush left, not bold, but indented 6pts. I've placed the text file and assigned the entire thing the NameListing paragraph style. I'd like to use GREP to find the address lines and change them to the NameListingAddress paragraph style.
Here's a screen shot to give you an idea. The left column is formatted correctly with both styles, the right column is "raw", all paragraphs formatted with the NameListing paragraph style.
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THANKS again! --Dina

If your intent here is to use the character style to trigger a variable, as I belive it is based on your other thread, you MUST apply the character style up to the first tab to pick up the text at the start of the paragraph. There are two approaches to automating the formatting after that, but it may be too late for you to be much help.
In cases where every listing has the same number of lines it makes sense to use a unique paragraph style name (not necessarily format -- base on on another) for each lline and make it its own paragraph. Set up "next styles" to rotate through the list so each line is assigned the correct style based on the style of its predecessor. You get the rotation to sart over by making the first line style the next style for the last line. This works for manual entry and can be applied to an entire block of placed text in a single operation by selecting the text, then right-clicking the name of the first style to be applied and choose Apply <stylename>, Then Next Style.This ONLY works if you have exactly the same number of paragraphs in each listing.
The other option is to use forced line breaks instread of paragraphs and use one style for the entire listing. Set a left indent and negative first line indent, create a character style for the part of the first line that you want to appear in your header and apply it Up To ^t^n (that's a little-known trick -- if you enter more than one character in the trigger for a nested style it will activate on the first instance of any of the characters listed that occurs, so for example if you enter the word cat, your style will end on the first, c, a or t that appears inthe paragraph. ^t is the metacharacter for tab, and ^n is for forced line break) so that the style will end at either the tab, if present, or the forced line break if there is no tab (if you use a right-indent tab instead of a regualr right aligned tab [tricky to do a leader, but that's another discussion] substitute ^y for the ^t), then add a nested Line Style for one line. That line style should use a second character style that is based on the first character style you created for the name text and has no other attributes if you want the line to be the same from end to end. Sounds more complex than it is, and will work for listings with variable lenghths. The trick is to repalce your paragraph returns with forced line breaks, and will require a little thinking.
If using separate paragraph styles for each line, you'd use the same technique of a nested style up to a tab for the first line, but there is no need to get fancier since it will apply to the whole line if there is no tab. The paragraph style, in this case, would carry all of the bold and size formatting (and no need for any indents), and the character style would be nothing more than a name that will allow you to use it in the variable.

Paragraph Style

Hi,
I have a sidebar as below:
Toy: Dog 1
Date of production: Dec 2009
Cost: $10
Retail Value: $50
Remarks: test test test test
I would like to have everything before the colons bolded. I have many of these going through the document, with the information after the colons all different. The copy people are doing this info in Word and I just copy and paste into the indesign document. How do I use paragraph styles to do this? Do I have to use nested style? I have tried a couple of things, but unsuccessfully. Some direction would be great!
Thanks.

Use the Repeat feature, like I have below. Note the use of forced line breaks, not carriage returns. (Do we still use “carriage” now?)

Need to keep two paragraph styles on same line

Coming from Ventura and need to recreate all publications in Indesign - can't find the equivalent of "breaks - line break: none". Need to keep two paragraph styles on same line.

Like Ventura, FrameMaker has been able to do this for decades.
You're correct about zero leading being inadequate, if not only in appearance, but also for maintaining the document through changes, especially if someone other than you needs to edit it.
Nested styles are logical to create and use. Search Google for terms like "InDesign nested styles," without quotes, for lots of links to tutorials and details.
If you need to create TOC entries for each of the two parts of text in this example, even after formatting with a nested style, InDesign's TOC will see only the single paragraph. If that works, OK. If you want to be able to create a TOC reference to each part, you'll have to create hidden text for each part, and you'll need to create a paragraph style for each, as well. This is because InDesign's TOC only captures complete paragraphs.
[EDIT] If you think this is an important feature enhancement that should be included in a future InDesign release, post a formal feature request in the form here: WISH.[/EDIT]
HTH
Regards,
Peter
Peter Gold
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MW Design wrote:
InDesign cannot create side-by-side paragraphs. The only viable work-around is to use tables.
I do miss Ventura a lot. For others, basically side-by-side paragraphs are successive paragraphs (one below the other) that the paragraph style can then format so they are next to each other, out in the margin as callouts, etc.
Mike
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