Newbie: PS CS3, save as + ICC Profile

Sorry if i'm going to ask a newbie qu.
When i'm saving a JPG file format, using SAVE AS function i have an option to mark the Color type.
what will be the diff. if i'll save the file with the color profile (ICC Profile: sRGB IEC61966-2.1) or without the ICC profile?
and what is the best ICC profile to use?
thanx in advance

Reduce it to 8-bit or use a PSD.
EPS is
so last century.

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I have started scanning old print photographs for archive.
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Do I need to tick that when saving, or will the colors look fine in future computers/applications?
I'm kinda confused on the ICC/sRGB matter even after reading about it. From what I understood it's only to display colors accurately for the Web.
How does ICC/sRGB factor into my archival project?
I'd greatly appreciate any feedback, tips and advice.
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Yes, if you are archiving, save the document with it's profile.
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ICC defines a standard for describing document colors. Without that information, your document is just numbers without any known appearance. With a profile, the document numbers have an unambiguous interpretation as colors.
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I am using photoshop cs3 and printing with onyx rip software. when i export the icc profile for the printer to use in photoshop for soft proofing, it is not showing up. after talking with an onyx rep. they said that the icc profile for the printers are version 4 and that photoshop cs3 doesnt read any profiles past version 2 ... need to know if there is a way around this or what options i have... thanx!

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I am working on content for a website.
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While the technical aspects of color management are complex, they are largely irrelevant for users.
The following steps have worked well for me:
Step One: Calibrate your monitor. I use the Datacolor Spyder. This produces a monitor profile. Use System Preferences to set your monitor to use this profile. Don't use this profile for anything else and give it a clear name so that you don't confuse it with a printer profile.
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Step Three: Pick an image with a reasonable range of colors and exposures. (Don't start with a "difficult" image.) Turn soft proofing off and adjust the image as desired.
Step Four: Send this image to the printer. Load up the manufacturer's paper.
Step Five: In the "print" dialog, go to the "Printer Settings" sub menu and select the correct "Quality and Media" and the appropriate setting for "photo" quality. Make sure that all of the color options are neutral. Save.
Step Six: Back on the "Print" dialog select the correct ICC profile for your paper/printer. (Careful, DON'T use the calibrated monitor profile!) Adjust other settings as required. Save and name the preset.
Step Seven: Print and Pray. (And pray I haven't missed a step - sorry I'm not at my Mac. From your initial post, it sounds like you know how to do all of this.)
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If you are happy, great - get a beer. If not, try the following, making only one change at a time:
== Turn Soft Proofing on using the profile of the paper/printer. (Don't select the profile for your monitor, or any other.) Do the screen and print match now? If so, then you know to do your adjusting with soft proofing on. Remember, soft proofing is not exact - it is merely an attempt to make your screen look like the combination of paper and printer.
== If Soft Proofing makes your monitor look LESS like the print, then don't don't use Soft Proofing.
== If the results are close, you can make fine adjustments using the "Printer Settings" sub menu and saving presents. For example; I use a lot of CostCo paper in my Canon Pixma Pro9000. CostCo says that their paper mimics Canon's Photo Paper Pro, so I use the settings and profile for that paper, but I tweek the cyans and reds a bit in printer settings.
I have found that Red River profiles are a very good match for their papers.
Hope this helps. Good luck!

Placing a PDF with ICC profile embedded

If I place a PDF with a ICC profile embedded, InDesign doesn't take in consideration it.
In the case that the Indd colour workspace is different from the ICC embedded in the PDF, when I export to PDF the color conversion is wrong.
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the conversion that I get is wrong.With an image with the ICC pofile embedded the conversion is ok.
does anyone know how it works?

With regards to placing PDF/X files in either InDesign or Illustrator ...
Neither InDesign nor Illustrator currently do anything whatsoever with the Output Intent ICC profile in a PDF/X file. It is totally ignored. In PDF/X-1a files, there is no other color mangement and as such, all objects are either DeviceCMYK or DeviceGray or spot colors. The objects are imported as CMYK or spot color values assuming the document's default CMYK color space. Thus, if you place a PDF/X-1a file with a profile for Gracol and your InDesign document's default color space is US Web Coated SWOP, those CMYK colors in the PDF/X-1a will be brought in as-is but interpreted as is they were US Web Coated SWOP.
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LR 4.3 Print Module + Dry Creek icc Profile = jpeg that Apple SW won't open

Greetings,
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This file (it's just a screenshot of this browser window "Printed" from LR4) is an example of one that will produce the problem described in my OP: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/36072/Misc.%20Forums/test1.jpg
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Icc profiles for aperture book printing...

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Please note that monitors provide fairly accurate color when the images are saved in an sRGB color space, however, presses are not as reliable...
Well, Mike, thanks for sharing the info here.
At one point, in Mark's email to you, as mentioned above in his email from Apple, I have to say I am a little surprised about his statement re: monitors provide fairly accurate... when the images saved in an sRGB colour space...
It is very tricky statement where it depends on how we define the term "fairly accurate" in monitors. What we don't know if Mark meant by when monitor has been "properly" set up as profiled and calibrated with high-grade calibration hardware. Unless IF the monitor has been proper profiled and calibrated, then his statement would be correct. But IF not profiled or calibrated at all, I am afraid that his statement is incorrect.
Now these days with newer monitors and newer Apple laptops with better monitor technology, it is still need to be properly profiled and calibrated. It just depends on individual's preference, desire and the purpose of such project whatever someone is working on. While majority of Aperture users' are probably mostly professional photographers or those who are into photography savvy, then colour-managed workflow is a norm. For me, it IS absolute A MUST colour-managed workflow.
Although, I do a heavy post-production workflow on MacPro where I always have my monitors calibrated. I don't typically calibrate my laptop, though. Because sometimes I forgot to turn off the automatic ambient light in System Preference in Display section. It is a little inconvenience in that case. Unless if I am being away on photographic trips far from Canada abroad, then it is a different story. But not always bring my calibration device with me. Too inconvenience to haul it around at the airports etc. So colour-managed workflow is a must with MacPro in my studio.
However, other individuals have their own preference, comfort zone and the purpose of such project. Perhaps their workflow set up differently than yours or mine, that is ok.
But in that email you received from someone at Apple didn't make it clear about that statement about 'fairly accuracy'.
Then something else is something else actually--when Apple guy said presses are not always.... Again, that is why it is important that you get monitor properly profiled and calibrated. Once it is done properly, then it is all good. But remember, you need to re-calibrate monitor once a week or every two weeks or once month. In order to get pretty close to printed output, always a good idea to soft proof. If needed to make slightly conservative adjustments to your satisfaction or level of expectation, the output would be fairly close to what it is appeared in monitor. When I mean "fairly close" in comparing the output to what you are seeing in monitor with these post-production images used in that output, in fairness, I would estimate fairly close in terms of anywhere in range between 92 to 95 percent - that is very fair conservative perspective on how close in the output vs monitor. It is truly, really, truly rare to get the output 100% as obvious and precise as you are seeing in monitor. If that is the case, and if that is true FOR that person achieved this, this probably means takes that person many years to perfect his/her colour-managed workflow for that matter. Never has been that pretty close, but I'd be shocked if I see mine aced right on spot. I'd be lying to you if I get all output perfect as appeared in my monitors. If I did, that would be incorrect statement.
It seems a lot of factors and things to do and things need to require in a thoroughly colour-managed workflow production, it is how it is done. But this can also means save money, effort and time if done properly right from the beginning.
In fairness, I would really wish that guy from Apple should have said a little more obvious and precise with his definition of fairly accuracy with monitors. It doesn't says what kind of monitors he refers to. Low quality, cheap monitors deliver good results? Lot of factors need to be looked at for consideration for yourself.
Of course, as you can tell that colour management topic is pretty heavy, highly technical and everything in deep thinking with world of colours. It takes years for an individual (both pros and non-pro individuals) finally understand what it is all about. Again, technologies evolve rapid for the better in many cases for new monitors, commercial print equips, advanced ink technology, advanced paper production technology... That goes on effortless endless, actually.
Hope some of thoughtfu perspective and experience be of some interest, and it is obvious that this discussion probably will attract some more excitement discussion, the more the better. So that every other Aperture users who have the similar issues, they'll definitely want to come to here... And learn and share.
I also use Blurb too. They are getting better than it was once a couple years ago when Blurb first started. As they add more variety of book sizes, types of paper stock and things like that. This also give someone some flexibility in choosing workflow production using Blurb software or online bookmaking or using PDF to Book service for those who are advanced users that use InDesign layout design app. In that case of PDF to Book, the advanced users would need to download Blurb's preset plug-in to put in InDesign in order to export the PDF output to meet and integrate into Blurb's Preflight Checklist at the time of upload. I use PDF to Book service with InDesign, etc. It is fairly self explanatory and easy to follow steps. Also slightly off topic, but when making Blurb book, to get most out of their product and service with Blurb, in that case, they came up with brilliant resource called Colour Resource Centre designed for making more beautiful books. In that resource centre, it is easy to read and follow.
I would think this probably shed some insights and understanding the basics of colour management, the whole thing all about this, that and the other all together.
I would also want other high-powered hard-core Aperture users share their experience with Aperture Book printing service. I'd be happy to share my experience about making Aperture Book vs. Blurb Book through PDF to Book service. However, I would think the export to PDF from Aperture probably has it's own different setting or slightly different configuration inside the PDF engine on Mac for Blurb book. There has been some discussion about wanting a Aperture Plug In for Blurb Book. blurb has been quiet on it, I take that they probably will not develop a special plug-in for Aperture Users. Sorry if it is a little off topic. But somehow someone in the discussion mention Blurb. so...
Anyhow, hope that helps.

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I can't print a photo because the ICC profile is not installed. What do I do?

Try from the Editor "Save As"
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I want to submit and use pictures in a lossless format like png, but I've noticed that my colors don't get reproduced as vividly when I save in png vs. jpg or tiff because Photoshop (CS5/windows) seems to have broken png support (I guess it gets worse in CS6)... storing color profiles in png's while not widely done, have been part of the standard for over a decade.
Given Adobe's place a providing the premier image editing tools, It's hard to believe they'd not support accurate color in lossless images for the web, but I've yet to see any Adobe produced png that that contains a profile.
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to read and store ICC color profiles.
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was actually a .jpg -- if only I could remember what file it was...sigh...)...
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Tools used?
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Astara_ wrote:
Yes -- it does save a color profile, but it doesn't save it in a way that renders the same as tif and jpg in either Explorer or FF. or a ICC-color handling -in-hw photo view program.
when I read it in, told me about a color profile mismatch, so I allowed it to convert to my current profile
I'm not sure why you chose to convert the image to a different profile. That muddied the water.
Generally speaking, properly color-managed applications will interpret PNG, TIFF, and JPEG images per the profiles embedded by Photoshop, and the images will look visually the same, though you may see small differences in the color numbers.
That's shown here by my having saved three equivalent images, in PNG, JPEG, and TIFF format, all tagged with the ProPhoto RGB format. I then opened them in Windows Photo Viewer, Photoshop, Safari, Firefox (which does not open TIFF files natively), and IE9 (which does not open TIFF files natively, and does not do a complete job of color-management on images). I also showed the thumbnails in Explorer, though to be fair that's the same codec code interpreting the images as in Windows Photo Viewer.
Keep in mind not all applications are properly color-managed, and what you see from those that are not (e.g., IE) can be subject to settings on your own system.
Beyond that, not every color-management system produces perfectly accurate results (including Photoshop's under some conditions), nor does every one necessarily use the same options (black point compensation, etc.) so the color numbers will be seen to differ a little.
Also, JPEG compression can result in some color inaccuracy.
Oh, and capturing your screen and publishing an image should involve a conversion, or at least publishing the image tagged with the monitor color profile, because RGB values pulled off your screen are of course expressed in your monitor's color space.
You'd think in this day and age that things would be more nailed down than they are, but it is what it is. Bottom line, though, is that if you're SEEING VISIBLE DIFFERENCES, you probably have a color management problem on your system or you're expecting better color-management compliance from an application than it's actually delivering.
It's too late and I'm really far too tired to get into a deeper conversation on color-management. Such a thread could go on for days, and they usually do.
-Noel

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