Oracle Backup using AIX cmds

Hi all,
I need a clarification regarding Oracle DB hope you guys can throw some light on my question.
One of my client wants me to take backup of the oracle data file path (oradata folder) using AIX-OS Commands, when the database is running but
database is actually scheduled in RMAN backup regularly.
He stills insists to take a backup of the oradata folder of the database without even shutting down. I said tat backup would be incomplete, invalid and
it cannot be used to restore but client is saying he had restored it previously with tat kind of backup so he needs a backup.
Can you please clarify me, If i take a backup of the oradata folder using AIX commands such as tar or gunzip when database is running and db is in archive log mode.
Will I able to restore it or does the backup will be valid.
Thanks in advance..
Nonuday

Dave Rabone wrote:
Nonuday wrote:
Can you tell me if i take a backup of the data files and archive log while DB is up and running can tat be restored and recovered.
Thanks,
NonudayThe answer is NO, NO, one thousand times NO!Er, as Hemant said, all you have to do is alter the db into backup mode. This is not deprecated, it's there for split mirror type backups (along with suspend, for some hardware). I suspect that's what the boss wants, this just sounds like a communication issue between OP and boss.
>
Unless the backup software you are using is "Oracle aware" (in which case under the covers it is actually a wrapper for RMAN or a user managed hot backup) you have trash, for the reasons you have already explained to your client.
I think you need to demonstrate to your client on a test machine ... with his bosses bosses boss present.Problem is, it doesn't always fail. Tivoli is aware of Oracle if done right.
>
Stand your ground (or get another job!)Agree with that, though knowledge is power. Google Oracle Fractured Block.
>
Good luck,
Dave

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