OS 10.2.8 on 233MHz tray loading Bondi Blue

I have installed OS10.2.8 on a 233MHz tray loading Bondi Blue and I am wondering if there are things I can do to optimize it. I have a 10GB HD and 256MB of RAM (maximum for this machine I read). Anything else I can do?
Thanks.

Maximum RAM for your machine is 512 with a 256MB module in each of the two slots. The bottom slot requires a low profile module. See here for what I mean...
http://www.datamem.com/partsthat_fit_list.asp_Q_M_E_iMac+233_A_MF_E_Apple_A_C_E
(standard disclaimer, not affiliated with the above supplier but have ordered RAM from them for my old tray loading iMac with very good customer service, so just your standard happy customer)
Although 512MB or RAM would certainly be an improvement over your current 256MB, 256 is not bad and if I had to choose one thing to update on your machine, I would be focusing on the hard drive first. 10GB is nothing. OS X will need a decent amount of free drive space for cache files, temp files, and general scratch disk area for doing stuff behind the scenes. While it probably doesn't need a lot, 10GB is small enough that your stuff may quickly fill it up, especially if you use iTunes and load in a lot of your CDs, and you may find your system getting bogged down as you start to approach filling 80+% of your drive. Considering how dirty cheap hard drives are now. My old 333MHz machine has an 80GB drive in it and it works great (and that one is still only running OS 9.2.2).
Keep in mind these older tray loading iMacs require drives over 8GB to be partitioned with the first partition under 8GB where OS X is installed. Although if you have OS X on your 10GB drive, you probably already knew that.
Patrick

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Do I need to make a full install of OS 9.2 or can I get away with just a Clean install?
Also, I just put in a 10G Hard Drive and partitioned it (2x5G). Should I put all both OS on the same partition?
Thanks.

you can put both on the same partition no problem. Won't make much of a difference.
A clean install pretty much is a full install. its about as full as you can get since it creates an entirely new system folder. Either choice on a blank hard drive will yield essentially the same thing I believe.

Unable to install OS 10.3 on my tray loaded Imac 233 MHz Powerpc 750.

03Jan07
I am not able to install OS 10.3 on to my 10 GB hard drive. I get this message:
"You can not install Mac OS X on the volume. This destination is not within the first 8 GB of the hard disk".
I have reformated the drive several times and install Imac Firmware Update 1.2 . I continue to get the message.
What is the process to install Mac 10.3 onto a Tray Loaded 233 MHz Powerpc750 Imac? I got the computer with 10.3 already installed, so I know it is possible.
Thank you for your help with this matter.

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Strider:
Thank you for the partioning advice.
I actually traded that computer with 10.3 installed for another model, a G3 tower that could not handle 10.2. Somehow the Imac had 10.3 without spliting the drive, so I assumed the drive did not need spliting.
The wireless antenna I bought for my Dad will not work for any version prior than 10.2, so I had to find a way to install the newer operating system. I hope the 256M RAM I just installed will be enought to do the job.
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Upgrade Tray Loading From 8.5 To 9.2.2

One of my friends has an imac from a while ago...it is a tray loading one...very interesting. I have never seen a tray loading up close before...they have laptop style CD ROMs!!!! =] =]
I turned it on and it has Mac OS 8.5 on it.
How do I upgrade to 9.2.2??????
I have the install cd and I could install it like that...
I also am thinking about taking the hard drive out, putting it in external enclosure, and copying and pasting 9.2.2 onto the hard drive and putting the hard drive back.
How do I open a tray loading imac?????????

How do I upgrade to 9.2.2??????
I have the install cd and I could install it like that...
Boot from the cd to install.
Power on machine. Press button in from of cd drive. Place cd in drive. Power off machine.
You hold down the c key then power on your machine. Should boot up.
Whatever version of 9.x you have can be upgraded to 9.2.2 by downloading & installing updates from apple.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1387?viewlocale=en_US
I also am thinking about taking the hard drive out, putting it in external enclosure, and copying and pasting 9.2.2 onto the hard drive and putting the hard drive back.
Why all the complexity?
You will need to 'bless' os.
How do I open a tray loading imac?????????
You should verify that you have the latest firmware, before installing new software. See the system profiler for details. What firmware do you need?
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86117
You may run Mac OS 10.3 on this machine. Mac OS X takes about 4gig. You can trim it down to 3gig with a custom install.
This will require a minimum of 128meg of ram. More is better. I'd suggest 256. You may put 512meg of ram in this machine. There are two memory slots. One must be Low Profile memory. Be sure you can return your memory cards. iMac memory cards are finicky.
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/iMac-G3-G4/
All the tray loading iMac g3's, models a-d, are constructed the same.
While this article deals with adding memory, you should see the pram battery on the logic board when you get to step 17.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=43012
You should skip steps 17 to 20. Look for the pram battery instead.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=43013
Here is a good disassembly page:
http://www.macopz.com/columns/imacrepair/disassembly.html
The second article in this series has information on replacing the battery:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=2584291
How To Upgrade Your iMac
http://www.djonmac.com/
The tray loading iMac requires the boot partition to be within 8gig. Since there are hidden partitions before the first visible partition, people recommend that you make the first visible partition 7.5 gig to 7.9gig. The machines support upto a 128gig Parallel ATA drive.
You should be able to use Unix symbolic links to 'move' some directory like /Users to the second visible partition.
Robert
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Imac g3 333mhz tray loader & os 9 install on new hard drive?

puting new (used) 20gb hardive in imac g3, 333mhz tray loader (rev d i think), because the imac came (Ebay) with os 8.6 password protected by At Ease ("a notoriously sticky program to get rid of," so i've heard). the questions are: 1) once i get the hd with nothing on it into the imac; can i use an os 9.whatever install cd to FORMAT AND PARTITION the new drive? and 2) if i can, must this cd be a "retail" cd, or can i purchase one of those gray install cds that say imac on the disk? and finally 3)if all goes well and after updating firmware (is there a problem here?) i'm going to install 10.3.

Hi, iMacQ.
1) Yes.
2) Yes, you'll need either a retail CD or the model-specific CD that was shipped with your exact iMac model. With so many different iMac models, it would be extremely hard to determine which model-specific (gray) CD was the right one to buy, and I can't recommend trying to do so.
3) A retail OS 9 CD will contain the firmware updater you need. A model-specific (gray) CD will contain only the firmware updater needed by the model it was designed for, and that may not be yours.
The firmware updater you may need is also available here, but quite apart from the firmware issue, a gray CD may lack OS components that your iMac needs, and include others that it can't use.
Summary: buy only a retail CD.

Can I use a 40GB Hard Drive in my iMac G3 (Tray-Loader)?

Can I use a 40GB Hard Drive in my iMac G3 (Tray-Loader)? Any help gladly appreciated!
Thanks,
Sean Butler

As pointed out, for OS X you need a small <8GB first partition with the tray loading models. If you never plan to run OS X and will only run OS9, then you can format the entire drive as one parition if you like. But to be safe, if you are not sure, make parition one <8GB and partition two the balance of the drive space.
As to your specific question, I have a 60GB drive in my 333MHz Grape Tray loader and it works fine, so yes you can put a 40 in there no problem.
Patrick

I just bought my iMac G3 and I was excited and ready to install Mac OS X 10.3, unfortunatley my Mac is having problems selecting it as a start up disc. I really want this to work. Can anyone help me? Mine is a tray loader.

I went to school this morning and picked up the Mac OS X 10.3 software from my advisor, I was super excited to get out of my boring Mac OS 8.6. My Mac is a tray loader. When I put the disc in the tray, it has no problem reading it, but when I go to the file to install and I press the restart button, my Start Up disc couldn't make Mac OS X 10.3 my start up disc. And when I tried using the Start Up disc on the file, it would restart, but when my screen turns back on, it flashes a question mark with a folder behind it and a Macintosh symbol and eventually begins running OS 8.6 again. Please help me!

There are several things...
There is a firmware update that is needed for Mac OS X. Fortunately, you can still boot into the "classic" Mac OS, because you need to be able to do so to install the firmware update, if it has not been already.
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1263
The Mac OS X installation disc needs to be a retail disc, meaning a disc that was sold separately in a box for use with any supported Mac. For Panther (10.3), I recall that it was black with a big metallic X, and it comes on three CDROMs. If it's a gray disc that came with another Mac model, it probably will not work.
RAM - Your iMac needs to have a minimum of 128mb of RAM for Panther. At least 256mb (or more) would be highly recommended. 512mb is the max.
Hard drive - The largest stock hard drive in tray-loader iMac G3 was 6GB, which is not very large for Mac OS X. The installation of Panther will take up about half that space. This does not prevent booting the installation disc. It's just a consideration for doing the installation itself.
For a tray-loader iMac, you may want to go with Mac OS 9 instead (up to version 9.2.2). Panther is a good version of Mac OS X, but there is not that much software that works with it. On the other hand, Mac OS 9.x was the latest and greatest version of the Mac's OS for a LONG time, so there is a large library of old but useful programs. Some are still being maintained today, such as
http://www.floodgap.com/software/classilla/
Mac OS X on a tray-loader iMac G3 will feel quite sluggish. Mac OS 9 will feel snappy, and require much less RAM and hard drive space.

Changing swap file location on tray-loader iMacs

This is not a question, but something I discovered that makes my old tray-loader iMac (the oldest iMac models) run Mac OS X much better.
As you may know, these oldest iMacs have an 8GB size limit on the boot volume. The largest stock drive on these iMacs was 6GB. That means if your upgraded hard drive is larger than 8GB, it must be partition so that the first partition is under 8GB (7.78GB on my iMac), and it must be the boot partition where the OS is installed (whether it's Mac OS X or 9).
In my case, I have a roomy 120GB hard drive (I believe the useable limit on these iMacs is 128GB). The first partition is just under 8GB, the second partition is the rest of the space, about 104GB. I have used every trick out there to move files (such as the iTunes music folder and most of my user/documents files) off to the second partition, to make free space on the boot partition as large as possible. So I have 3.5GB free on my 8GB boot partition. This is about 40% of the volume's total space so it seems pretty good, until you realize that most recent Macs have much more than the TOTAL 8GB I have, as free space on the boot volume. Mac OS X was just not designed to work well with small boot volumes...
Mac OS X uses the free space on the boot volume for its virtual memory "swap file." Considering these old iMacs max out at 512MB of RAM, virtual memory is being used quite a bit. But since space on the boot volume is very limited, low RAM and lack of free space can lead to performance issues. Here's what I observed. When I initially started up my iMac, I had about 3.5GB of free space. Over time, as I used more and more apps, that free space would diminish until I had only about 600MB remaining (as reported by a Finder window). At the same time, I noticed performance getting bogged down and more "chugging" sounds coming from the hard-working hard drive.
I've known about changing location of the swap file, but never tried it until recently. During the Mac OS X boot process, the Mac sets the location of the swap file. By default, the swap file resides on the boot volume (I believe most other Unix-based systems use a dedicated "swap partition" for the swap file). Since most recent Macs have large drives set up as one partition (and there is plenty of free space), and since many users have upgraded their RAM (and virtual memory is not as critical), swap file location is usually not an issue, and there is certainly no need to change the swap file location. However, on my iMac with an 8GB limit on the boot volume and 512MB of RAM, it made a noticeable difference.
I found one set of procedures on the web that was much better than the others I found for changing the location of the swap file.
http://www.math.columbia.edu/~bayer/OSX/swapfile/
On this page, there are two choices for Panther users. I used the one that works for both Panther and Tiger, because it appeared to me to be more straightforward. The author intentionally keeps the instructions somewhat technical to discourage users who are not technically inclined. I don't consider myself to be too "geeky," but I can follow instructions and type a few commands in Terminal.
After I changed the swap file location to a large mostly empty volume, I noticed much better performance when I have many large apps open at the same time. Performance no longer degrades over time, and the free space on my boot volume remains a constant 3.6GB.
The reason for this post is to share this information. Some users of these old iMacs may be noticing the same issues I had. This is a possible solution. However, if everything is OK with your set up, there is no reason to change the swap file location. If you try it, be sure to take the usual data backup precautions.
If anyone else has experience with changing swap file location, please post your comments here.

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Dutch iMac tray loader software install problem

Hello there.
I've got a near mint, boxed, tray loading iMac that I acquired for a collector friend of mine. It was originally sold in Holland and has a Dutch version of OS 8.5 installed. Not speaking dutch I cannot work out whether I can change the language within the current install.
Also I have been unable to install an English version in it's place. I have an appropriate English set of discs for the right model but when I put in the software install disc it says it cannot mount an image to install the software. When I put in the software restore disc it says the hard disc is locked and tells me to quit. I'm not familiar with this early type of iMac, my first iMac was a slot loader and that was a long time ago so I am at a loss as what to do.
My friend is coming to collect it tomorrow and I promised him I could get an English copy of the OS onto it. It's midnight here. (doh)
Can I install a copy of OS9 over the top? I have the discs (OS 9.1 I think) from my original slot loader.
Rapid solutions will be gratefully received !!
Cheers, L2K8

Hi Kenichi,
You read my mind !
I didn't start from the disc last time so was just trying that when you posted. I get further in the process if I ignore the 'no destination' message and it starts to install then stops saying 'No destination chosen'.
I have the original Dutch 8.5 discs and a set of original English 8.5 discs from a trayloader but they all stall at the choose destination point. There is no disk available to choose.
Can I erase the hard drive from one of the install discs in the optical drive like you can with disc utility on OSX ? Maybe that would override the locked disc problem.
Cheers, L2K8

Tray loader connection

Bought a refurbished iMac a couple of years ago and it's worked fine. Went to install a memory upgrade and removing the cover, found there was a cable not connected (the one from the CD ROM down to the speaker unit. Looking closer, found it impossible for the connection to be made as the cable has a small male round pin connector with a shield around the pins (like a PC keyboard connection) and the CD unit has the corresponding female holes but in a completely flat surface with no insertion slot for the male connection shield. Anyone recognise this configuration and know of a solution?

Do you have a picture of the odd configuration? I have two tray-loading iMacs and have never seen that while upgrading them.

Apple imac g3 233 tray loader with problems

Hey guys ive had problems with this before and so far its giving up again its an imac g3 233 tray loader ive disconnected the vid and turned it on i get the chime and the normal stuff but when i turn it on it ummm does a bump lol id have to send u the sound it does lol but thats not the only thing if i put the vid in it works but it clicks no zapping just clicks and now its displaying a white screen with a command prompt and its running mac os 9.1 so im at a loss what to do as my younger brother uses it for word documents for school work any help would be greatfull

Hey guys ive had problems with this before and so far its giving up again its an imac g3 233 tray loader ive disconnected the vid
What Vid? It's best to use formal English here.
and turned it on i get the chime and the normal stuff but
What's "normal stuff?"
when i turn it on it ummm does a bump lol id have to send u the sound it does lol but thats not the only thing if i put the vid in it works
So, you machine works! Why the post?
but it clicks no zapping just clicks and now its displaying a white screen with a command prompt and its running mac os 9.1 so im at a loss what to do
Mac OS 9 doesn't have a command line. Could it be booting in to firmware?
You can try the openfirmware command:
printenv
"Show all configuration variables and their current and default values. Numbers are usually shown in decimal."
http://www.firmworks.com/QuickRef.html
I'd try putting in an original Mac OS cd that came with the system. Put the cd in when the command line comes up. Power down then boot up when holding down the c key.
Robert

Using 10.6 NetBoot v1.0 with Tiger client images on PPC tray-loading iMacs

Hi all - I'm a bit confused over some documentation I'm reading. I'm reviewing the "System Imaging and SW Update Admin" guide for Snow Leopard Server (available at http://images.apple.com/server/macosx/docs/SystemImaging_and_SW_Update_Adminv10.6.pdf) and am puzzled on a few things.
We have several older tray-loading iMacs that currently have client images served up from an old Xserve running OS X Server (Tiger). In the first part of the guide, I saw that the Snow Leopard System Image utility would not work for creating images from older PPC-based systems. However, later in the guide it refers to enable NetBoot 1.0 (which can run alongside NetBoot 2.0) for older clients - specifically including the tray-loading iMac.
So my question is, how can I go about retiring the old Xserve and still serve/maintain these Tiger client images on Snow Leopard Server?
Can I simply copy the images to the share point in the new Snow Leopard Server and enable NetBoot 1.0? Would I need to create a new image (using the Snow Leopard Server System Image Utility) that starts from a source Tiger installation disc and then add appropriate software as packages? Or can I simply use those existing images (with what I presume means software cannot be added) and serve them up on Snow Leopard Server?
Basically, I have those tray-loading iMacs running a fairly minimal setup (base operating system, ability to join to our LDAP server, and very lightweight open source programs). As (if) they die, we are replacing them with newer Intel-based systems. Having said that, there are still at least 9 or so of these tray-loading iMacs quietly humming along with no indication of failure in the near future (nice job, Apple). It's not a problem if I cannot add software to the images (as it seems most software would require Leopard anyway) - but I would like to serve these up on the network. Any thoughts/ideas?

You can copy your existing images to the 10.6 server, enable NetBoot 1.0, and they will be served up just fine. The only thing you would need 10.4 server for is to create new images.

Upgrading a tray load iMac hard drive

I forgot thr solution to this but if some one could help me remember. I put a 40gb harddrive into a tray load purple g3 333mhz. When I try and install 10.3 it tells me I cant because my drive is not with in the first 8gb, What do I do to fix that?

While booted from the OS X installer CD, select "Utilities" from the drop-down menu. Run "Disk Utility" and it will list the hard drive. Select it and choose to erase it and partition it into (2) Mac OS Extended (Journaled) volumes. Make the first partition about 7.8-7.9 GBs, and use the remaining unused portion of the drive for the second partition. If you also want to install and boot from OS 9, be sure to select the "Mac OS 9 Drivers Installed" option.

Ibook is restarting itself and will only load a blue screen

so a couple weeks ago i was having issues with my ibook and safari..safari would keep on freezing and or quit on its own..i thought my software was out of date so i went and got Tiger...when i went to install tiger i was unable to use the upgrade and the archive and install feature, thus leaving me with erase and install...so after deleting my hard drive and installing tiger i ran into more issues with my ibook...ive been trying to do software updates but half way through the download it will freeze up thus making me force quit the program and download...then my ibook would only load the blue background of the desk top but not the icon for the hard drive or any of the things on the expose..in attempting to get into disk utilities the ibook would reset itself...finally, when i tried to start up in safe mode i was only able to get to where you type in your password and no further than that...after hitting enter the password window would just open again...with all this being said..can anyone help me with this issue?i am fearing that it could be the mother board or even the hard drive but about two years ago i had my mother board replaced...so i duno whats going on

Some iBooks (like mine) had a separate disc with the Apple Hardware Test--others had it on one of the install discs but I'm not sure which one. It sounds a lot like you might have hardware issues of some kind since reinstalling the OS didn't fix the problem. I am assuming that you don't have easy access to an Apple store where someone at the genius bar could possibly help you come up with a diagnosis. Also, I am assuming you actually erased your hard drive rather than deleting it as you said in your post.
You might want to check and see which discs you do have and determine what is missing. If Apple itself did the last repair and did not return the disc, you could talk to Apple Customer Relations and explain your situation and see if they would send you a replacement disc, as it really should have been returned. If it was done by someone other than Apple, you can still probably get a replacement but there will likely be a fee. And if you do by chance have the AHT, by all means run it.
Otherwise, you will have to appeal to the more knowledgeable and experienced members of the forum for help, but I believe you will still need the original install discs. If you have another Mac, there may be some other approaches that can be tried, but I personally have not ever done this so I can't really help with that.
Good luck!

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