OS 10.5 Leopard install a real pain in the neck!

Before you install this new OS, make sure you backup all your important files. At work, I went to upgrade a non-intel, dual processor G5 tower, and everything was proceeding fine, when midway through the process it encountered a huge error and I was forced to "erase and install" the OS. My HD did not even come up as it was any longer. And, to top that off, it took 3 attempts at erasing and installing, because it kept snagging on something. I then had to restore my other files and apps from a backup, to my spare hard drive, and copy each of what I needed. All the graphics software had to be re-installed due to their anti-copying security features. What a pain in the @$$!!! Now, the G4 I put it on also had to be wiped and re-installed after a supposedly "successful" installation, because the spinning rainbow wheel of death appeared after I logged in, and would not stop. Any attempts at disk repair using Apple's own, or even TechTool Pro did nothing, and the permissions couldn't be repaired on either machine. Once I finally got everything working, after a day's worth of work, the new OS is very nice. I am not completely optimistic though. I have seen problems like this with Windows and PC's, but not for years on a Mac ( I do remember the bombs, error codes and death tunes the old OS and Macs used to make). Let's hope Apple fixes this, because I'm not upgrading my home machines until they do. OS itself is great, but the INSTALL is horrible!
-Chuck L., Senior Graphic Designer, Long Island, NY.

I'm so sorry for you. You've only had one problem that frustrated you enough to come to Apple's forums? You're lucky, as far as I'm concerned.
Leopard is not perfect by any means, I've had a few problems with it myself, but your post doesn't help anybody. Not even yourself. It's just venting and it doesn't belong here.
As far as the graphics software goes, that doesn't sound like Apple's fault to me.
I'm sure Apple will fix all the problems. Please just don't post any more stuff like this. It really doesn't help anybody.

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