OWB/Recursive Pointer/Bridge table?

How should a recursive pointer key be implemented? In Ralph Kimball's data warehouse toolkit he suggests using a bridge table(between the dimension and the fact) instead of using a recursive pointer. I am not sure how this can be implemented in OWB or if there is any better way of implementing a recursive pointer.
(We need a recursive pointer as our fact could be pointing to any level in hierarchy not neccessarily the lowest one)

we exploded the parent child relationship using an explosion function in a post mapping. A good example of this is:
http://www.kimballgroup.com/html/designtipsPDF/DesignTips2001/KimballDT17Populating.pdf
you can modify this procedure accordingly.The top of the hierarchy must have PARENT = NULL.

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Kimball's bridge table

Hey guys,
Has anyone tried to implement Ralph Kimball's bridge table in OWB? Precisely loading a bridge table from a dimension (or its source) with embedded recursive pointers and hierarchy on a column.
The idea here is to have a table holding all the paths in an hierarchy tree which seats between the fact and the dimension and allow for aggregation and grouping at various levels of the hierarchy (Unachievable with the CONNECT BY clause since it won't allow a join to be involved).
Thanks,
Rene

we exploded the parent child relationship using an explosion function in a post mapping. A good example of this is:
http://www.kimballgroup.com/html/designtipsPDF/DesignTips2001/KimballDT17Populating.pdf
you can modify this procedure accordingly.The top of the hierarchy must have PARENT = NULL.

3-1674105521 Multiple Paths error while using Bridge Table

https://support.us.oracle.com/oip/faces/secure/srm/srview/SRViewStandalone.jspx?sr=3-1674105521
Customer Smiths Medical International Limited
Description: Multiple Paths error while using Bridge Table
1. I have a urgent customer encounterd a design issue and customer was trying to add 3 logical joins between SDI_GPOUP_MEMBERSHIP and these 3 tables (FACT_HOSPITAL_FINANCE_DTLS, FACT_HOSPITAL_BEDS_UTILZN and FACT_HOSPITAL_ATRIBUTES)
2. They found found out by adding these 3 joins, they ended with circular error.
[nQSError: 15001] Could not load navigation space for subject area GXODS.
[nQSError: 15009] Multiple paths exist to table DIM_SDI_CUSTOMER_DEMOGRAPHICS. Circular logical schemas are not supported.
In response to this circular error, the developer was able to bypass the error using aliases, but this is not desired by client.
3. They want to know how to avoid this error totally without using alias table and suggest a way to resolve the circular join(Multiple Path) error.
Appreciated if someone can give some pointer or suggestion as the customer is in stiff deadline.
Thanks
Teik

The strange thing compared to your output is that I get an error when I have table prefix in the query block:
Connected to: Oracle Database 11g Enterprise Edition Release 11.2.0.4.0 - 64bit Production
With the Partitioning, OLAP, Data Mining and Real Application Testing options
Master table "SYSTEM"."SYS_IMPORT_FULL_01" successfully loaded/unloaded
Starting "SYSTEM"."SYS_IMPORT_FULL_01": system/******** DUMPFILE=TMP1.dmp LOGFILE=imp.log PARALLEL=8 QUERY=SYSADM.TMP1:"WHERE TMP1.A = 2" REMAP_TABLE=SYSADM.TMP1:TMP3 CONTENT=DATA_ONLY
Processing object type TABLE_EXPORT/TABLE/TABLE_DATA
ORA-31693: Table data object "SYSADM"."TMP3" failed to load/unload and is being skipped due to error:
ORA-38500: Unsupported operation: Oracle XML DB not present
Job "SYSTEM"."SYS_IMPORT_FULL_01" completed with 1 error(s) at Fri Dec 13 10:39:11 2013 elapsed 0 00:00:03
And if I remove it, it works:
Connected to: Oracle Database 11g Enterprise Edition Release 11.2.0.4.0 - 64bit Production
With the Partitioning, OLAP, Data Mining and Real Application Testing options
Master table "SYSTEM"."SYS_IMPORT_FULL_01" successfully loaded/unloaded
Starting "SYSTEM"."SYS_IMPORT_FULL_01": system/******** DUMPFILE=TMP1.dmp LOGFILE=imp.log PARALLEL=8 QUERY=SYSADM.TMP1:"WHERE A = 2" REMAP_TABLE=SYSADM.TMP1:TMP3 CONTENT=DATA_ONLY
Processing object type TABLE_EXPORT/TABLE/TABLE_DATA
. . imported "SYSADM"."TMP3" 5.406 KB 1 out of 2 rows
Job "SYSTEM"."SYS_IMPORT_FULL_01" successfully completed at Fri Dec 13 10:36:50 2013 elapsed 0 00:00:01
Nicolas.
PS: as you can see, I'm on 11.2.0.4, I do not have 11.2.0.1 that you seem to use.

Many to Many relationship - Bridge Table

This post may be more appropriate for a data modeling discussion group, but thought I would post here because it will ultimately be modeled/used in OBIEE.
Can someone help me understand what the point/use is for a Bridge table when managing a many to many relationship between a fact table and a dimension? I have read a hundred different ways to handle this situation with the brige table method being the overwhelming approved approach .. but I don't see what a bridge table specifically buys you (Im sure Im missing something though).
For example .. If I have:
EVENT_FACT
EFkey
CRDimKey
Famount
CUSTOMER_ROLE_DIM
CRDimKey
Customer Name
Role
So a customer can hold multiple roles and therefore 1 event fact record could link to multiple CUSTOMER ROLE records and 1 customer role record will most likely link to multiple EVENT_FACT records.
As I understand the bridge approach would put a bridge table CUSTOMER_ROLE_EVENT_BRIDGE in place like follows:
CUSTOMER_ROLE_EVENT_BRIDGE
EFkey
CRDimkey
WeightFactor
With this approach you now have the following setup:
EVENT_FACT one-to-many CUSTOMER_ROLE_EVENT_BRIDGE
CUSTOMER_ROLE_DIM many-to-many CUSTOMER_ROLE_EVENT_BRIDGE
Doesn't a many to many relationship still exist from the dimension to the bridge table? Since all we did was join the dimension to the fact table to create the bridge table I dont see how the many to many from dimension to bridge doesnt exist?
It seems somewhat inneficient to join the dimension to the bridge ahead of time to create this table and place the weight factor on it. Why not just compute the weight factor of the dimension and place that as a field on the dimension itself and use it when joined to the fact table?
Thanks for the help and insight!!
k
Edited by: user_K on May 19, 2010 4:34 PM

I'm developing a CS degree project with 2 professors, Matteo Golfarelli and Stefano Rizzi, who have developed the Dimensional Fact Model for data warehouses and wrote many books about it.
They followed the Kimball theory about N:N and used its bridge table concept, so when I said them that in OBIEE there is this definition they were very happy.
But they stopped this happiness when I said that bridge tables only connect fact tables to dimension tables, and to create N:N between levels at higher aggregation we should use logical joins as you said in your blog. I need to extract metadata concepts from UDML exportation language, and about N:N I can do it only with bridge table analysis, I can't extract and identify a N:N level relationship from a multiple join schema as in your blog... this is the limit of your solution for our project, only this!
PS: sorry for my english, I'm italian!
thanks for the replies!

Bridge table size on WGB

Hi
I've set up an old 1121 access point as a WGB on our unified (i.e. lightweight) wireless network. It works fine, but the VLAN that
the wireless side connects to has between 200 and 300 clients at any one time. The bridge table size seems to be fixed at 300 entries, and I'm concerned that at some point this may overflow. I've put this in the wireless config:
int dot110
no bridge-group 1 source-learning
bridge-group 1 block-unknown-source
to try to keep the size of the table down, but it seems to make no difference. Is my only option to move the WGB to a VLAN which has fewer clients?
Thanks
Max Caines
University of Wolverhampton

Hi , I fetched this for you:
Total number of forwarding database elements in the system. The memory to hold bridge entries is allocated in blocks of memory sufficient to hold 300 individual entries. When the number of free entries falls below 25, another block of memory sufficient to hold another 300 entries is allocated. Thus, the total number of forwarding elements in the system is expanded dynamically, as needed, limited by the amount of free memory in the router.
Now this docu if for router, but since both AP and Routers run IOS Code then the logic should still be the same.
So either:
1- Keep me posted on what happens when you indeed reach 300 on current table to see if AP will allocate extra 300 when 25 threshold is reached
or
2- move wgb to less busy vlan
Thanks
Serge

Is this a bug in OWB 11.2 - importing table metadata for character columns

The Oracle® Warehouse Builder Data Modeling, ETL, and Data Quality Guide provides an overview of the data types supported.
http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E11882_01/owb.112/e10935/orcl_data_objx.htm
It says that for VARCHAR2 data type it saws (http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E11882_01/owb.112/e10935/orcl_data_objx.htm#CHDFIADI )
"Stores variable-length character data. How the data is represented internally depends on the database character set. The VARCHAR2 data type takes a required parameter that specifies a maximum size up to 4,000 characters"
That means , I guess, it says that when I import a table, any columns of type VARCHAR2(10) in the database should have its length show as characters in OWB, so a column of type Varchar2(10) in the Oracle database, should be shown as Varchar2(10) when imported into OWB table metadata via the OWB import function.
However, if I have a database that set-up as a single-byte and import a table using the OWB import function a column that has a size of e.g. 10 in the database, is imported as OWB table metadata and the size is 10. Correct, I am happy.
However, if the database is modified to support multi-byte characters, ALTUF16 encoding with the semantics set to "CHAR", then when I import the same table into OWB, OWB reports the size as 40, I guess its 40 bytes as in 10 characters @ 4 bytes per character.
Is this a bug in OWB, as the datatype in the Oracle DB is varchar2(10), should OWB after importing a table not also report the column as VARCHAR2(10) ? Currently, is shows the column as varchar2(40).

I noticed that myself in our project.
Our varchars2 are defined as VARCHAR2(xxx CHAR) - OWB puts the size*4
In fact if you have special characters like umlauts (ü,ä,ö,...) it will use 4 bytes per character.
You can try it yourself. Define a Varchar2(1 CHAR) and manually change the size of the Column in your mapping inside OWB (in filters, joins or your target table).
Then shoot an umlaut through the mapping and will end up with a "too small" error.
Dont mind the size*4 issue - we totally ignored it and run without error since 4 years now.

How can I set up a guest access point with a Time Capsule and an Airport Extreme? I am using a Telus router with the Time Capsule used as a wireless access point (bridge mode). I don't want the guest access point to have access to my network.

How can I set up a guest access point with a Time Capsule and an Airport Extreme? I am using a Telus router with the Time Capsule used as a wireless access point (bridge mode). I don't want the guest access point to have access to my network.

The Guest Network function of the Time Capsule and AirPort Extreme cannot be enabled when the device is in Bridge Mode. Unfortunately, with another router...the Telus...upstream on your network, Bridge Mode is indicated as the correct setting for all other routers on the network.
If you can replace the Telus gateway with a simple modem (that performs no routing functions), you should be able to configure either the Time Capsule or the AirPort Extreme....whichever is connected to the modem....to provide a Guest Network.

How to define an aggregation rule for a dimension based on bridge table?

Hello,
I need a solution for aggregating data correctly when using a dimension based on a set of dimensione tables containing a bridge table. Please find below a description of my business case and the OBIEE model which I’ve created thus far.
Business Case
The company involved wants to report on the number of support cases, the different types of actions that were taken and the people involved in those actions. One support case will undergo a number of actions (called ‘handelingen’) until it is closed. For each action at least one person is involved performing a specific role, but there can also be multiple persons involved with 1 action, each performing a different role for that action. This is the N : N part of the model.
The problem that I face is visible in the two pictures below:
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k24/The_Dutchman_2006/OBIEE/sample.png
As long as I don’t include anything from the Dimension Meelezer in my report, I get the correct number of handelingen (7). When I include the person (called ‘Meelezer’), the measuere per action is multiplied by the number of persons/roles involved with that action.
When I changed the Aggregation rule in the report column #Handelingen to ‘Server Complex Aggregate’ I do get the correct endtotal:
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k24/The_Dutchman_2006/OBIEE/sample2.png
I believe it should be possible to define in the repository a different aggregation rule for individual dimensions, but I’ve not been able to achieve this.
Explained below is what I have created in my Physical and Business Model & Mapping layers:
The Physical Model is built like this:
(This is just a small part of a much larger physical model, but I’ve only included the most relevant tables)
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k24/The_Dutchman_2006/OBIEE/PhysicalDiagram-1.png
The Fact table (ALS Feit Zaakverloop) contains FK’s for the action (FK_HANDELING, joined to ALS Dim Handeling), the date the action took place (FK_DATUM_ZAAKVERLOOP, joined to ALS Dim Datum Zaakverloop) and the uniqe group of people involved (FK_MEELEZERS, joined to ALS Groep Meelezers) and a measure column (SUM_HANDELINGEN) populated with the value ‘1’ for each row.
The Bridge table (ALS Brug Meelezer/Reden Meelezen) contains three FK’s: FK_GR_MEELEZERS (joined to ALS Groep Meelezers), FK_MEELEZER (joined to ALS Dim Functionaris) and FK_REDEN_MEELEZEN (joined to ALS Dim Reden Meelezen).
The Business Model
In the business model, the four physical tables for the N:N relation have been combined into one logical dimension table.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k24/The_Dutchman_2006/OBIEE/BusinessModel-1.png
DIM Meelezer contains one LTS in which the four physical tables have been combined:
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k24/The_Dutchman_2006/OBIEE/LTS1.png
And all the required locical columns have been created:
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k24/The_Dutchman_2006/OBIEE/LTS2.png
DIM Meelezer has also been identified as a bridge table and a Business Key has been defined on a combination of the FK’s in the bridge table and business codes of the two dimension tables.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k24/The_Dutchman_2006/OBIEE/BMDIM.png
Next a hierachy was created for Dim Meelezer:
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k24/The_Dutchman_2006/OBIEE/Hier.png
In Feit Zaakverloop, a measurement called ‘# Handelingen’ was created using SUM_HANDELINGEN, with an aggregation rule of SUM.
In the LTS of both the DIM Meelezer and Feit Zaakverloop, the Logical Content Levels have both been set to: LVL Detail – Meelezer.
Please provide suggestions that will NOT require changes to the physical datamodel as they would require too much time to achieve (or at leats would not be ready before my deadline.
Thanks!
Edited by: The_Dutchman on Dec 13, 2011 11:43 AM

Hmm, no replies yet...
Am I in 'uncharted territory' with this issue?

Bridge Table between two fact tables

Hello everybody,
From what I have read on the BI Administration tool help and on this forum, bridge tables are used to define many-to-many relations between dimension sand fact tables. Is it possible to have a bridge table defining a many-to-many relation between two fact tables?
Here is my senario:
1. We have a fact table called fact_Orders describing orders for some products.
2. We have a fact table called fact_Sales describing sales og these products.
3. We have a table describing the transformation from order lines to sales lines which is a many-to-many relation, because it is possible to transform an order in more than two steps.
I was thinking of connecting the two fact tables with a bridge table.
If bridge tables are inappropriate for this case, what could be a better model for my senario?
Thanks for your time.

Hi,
Well a conformed dimension is a bridge table between two facts, so not sure why you need anything else. If there is a one to many from D1 to F1 and a one to many from D1 to F2 then effectively there is a many to many join from F1 to F2 through the D1 dimension.
Sounds to me like all you need is an order dimension table, rows in the orders fact table will join to this dimension and so will rows in the sales fact table. You can then do calculations like number of sales per order, total sales revenue per order, # of order items per order etc etc.
Regards,
Matt

Alternative of Bridge table in data Modelling.

Hello Gurus,
while doing the data modeling, we found one place where we have Many to Many joins between One Fact and 3 Dim.
where in Dim., we mostly have only one attribute/ Dim, which relates Many to Many with Fact.
so as in obiee we have to build the bridge table to take care of the issue.
is there any alternative method of data modeling that can eliminate the Bridge table itself?
I was thinking to add the dim attribute in fact itself. though it's with diff grain it should work??

If you really have a many-to-many relationship from fact to dimension, which attribute value (which of the many) would you put on the fact?
What is the issue you are having with a bridge table?

OBI EE 10g: Bridge tables and Based on Dimensions Aggregation

hi experts,
i am working on OBI EE 10 g (10.1.3.4)
The BM&M layer consist of:
1) Logical fact table "Sale_Indicators"
Fields: SALE_ID (PK, FK),
D1_ID (FK),
D2_ID (FK),
Indicator1 (measure, level of granularity: SALE_ID),
Indicator2 (measure, level of granularity: SALE_ID),
Indicator3 (measure, level of granularity: SALE_ID)
2) Logical dimension table
"Sales" (PK: SALE_ID),
"D1" (PK: D1_ID),
"D2" (PK: D2_ID),
"Customers" (PK: SALE_ID, CUST_ID) - bridge table!
"Products" (PK: SALE_ID, PROD_ID) - bridge table!
3) Dimensions: SalesDim, D1Dim, D2Dim, CustomersDim, ProductsDim
If fact table is joined with bridge table, the number of rows in fact table is multiplied, for example:
D1_ID | SALE_ID | CUST_ID | Indicator1
777 | 1 | 14 | 10
777 | 1 | 17 | 10
777 | 2 | 15 | 12
888 | 3 | 16 | 20
888 | 3 | 17 | 20
888 | 4 | 19 | 30
I need to get report:
D1_ID | Indicator1 (SUM)
777 | 22
888 | 50
and with filter by customer, for example (CUST_ID = 17):
D1_ID | Indicator1 (SUM)
777 | 10
888 | 20
i am trying to use "based on dimension" aggregation, for example (Indicator1):
Dimension Formula
CustomersDim MIN
ProductsDim MIN
Others SUM
The generated physical SQL performs joining EVERY dimension to the fact table, even though they are not included in the final result set.
Is there any way to tweak logical or physical model in order to eliminate excessive joins?
Thanks in advance!
Edited by: 859688 on 31.10.2011 4:04
Edited by: 859688 on 31.10.2011 4:06
Edited by: 859688 on 31.10.2011 4:08

I found this text on the help, but I didn't understand, because when I check the "based on dimensions" check box, I can choose aggregation rules for each dimension, not only the time dimension.
Also, I found in the help menu:
"In the Aggregation tab, select the Based on dimensions check box.
The Browse dialog box automatically opens.
In the Browse dialog box, click New, select a dimension over which you want to aggregate, and then click OK.
In the Aggregation tab, from the Formula drop-down list, select a rule."
I did the same steps suggested by the text above, but it didn't work.

Who to make use of bridge table in the report

hi all,
I have two tales let us say T1 and T2, having may to may relation .. if i take the one column from T1 table and another column from T2 table in the report.. it is taking more time to generate. What is the problem, why they have interested Bridge table concept,
let us say i have created one bridge table,TB,, so that i need a report generate the report having columns from T1 and T2 that time how to use bridge table ?. pls let me know if any one knew it.
Thanks
Raj

Hi,
Check this out. I'm not sure if itwould help, but it might: http://www.rittmanmead.com/2008/08/the-mystery-of-obiee-bridge-tables/
J.

What is the use of bridge table in obiee

If any body replay me use of bridge table with scenario
which situation you can use it.

An example of a bridge table I use frequently is w_gl_linkage_information_g . Pasted a sample query below:
SELECT APF.*
FROM w_gl_linkage_information_g GLI
,w_gl_other_f GLO
,w_ap_xact_f APF
WHERE GLI.journal_line_integration_id = GLO.integration_id
AND GLI.source_distribution_id = APF.acct_doc_id
AND GLO.etl_proc_wid = APF.etl_proc_wid;
AND GLO.integration_id = '4969904~2';

Bridge Tables

Hi,
I am having a little trouble using bridge tables. For testing I created an n-n relation. When I just make joins it shows the link table like fact table but queries work okay. When I check the bridge table check box, it identifies the correct fact and dimension tables, but I get a consistecy warning since one of the dimension tables does not join to any fact table and also querires don't work.
So how exactly should I use the bridge table, and also why do I need it?

Hi,
Find the link below which might help you.
http://www.biblogs.com/2008/08/28/the-mystery-of-obiee-bridge-tables/
Regards,
Som

Distinct Count Measure on Dimension table via Bridge table.

Hi Team,
I have Dim_Devices Table, which is linked to other dimension like Dim_User and Dim_City.
All these table has many to many relationship defined in bridge table i.e. B_Devices_User_City using referential keys.
I want to derive measure such as
Select Count(Dim_Devices[Device_Id])
where Dim_Devices.Validity_End_Date is null
Note : Device_Id and Validity_End_Date are present in Same Dim_Devices Dimension Table.
Could you please help me to define cube structure and how to create such measure out of dim_table.

Hi Charlie,
Now, I have define DistinctCount Agreegation on Dim_Devices table which will use reference Relationship on B_Devices_User_City. My Count is correct.
But, I came across one more issue, i.e. From Processed and deployed cube, I am trying to create off-line Cube/or Global Cube (I have given syntax below) which is for limited set of dimensions and measures, I found that It shows me error due
to such relationship.
Does it mean that, For Global Cube, Can't we use DistinctCount/Count agreegation?
CREATE
GLOBAL CUBE [Device OLAP_Cube_1_3]
Storage
'C:\Exportcube.cub'
FROM [Device DATA CUBE]
-- Measures
-- Cube

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