Pacman forgot installed packages

When there was the bug with the libxfixes file, I uninstalled the whole Xorg package. But now i recognized, that pacman forgot all installed packages, what means i cant really upgrade my system. Is there a way to recover the database of installed packages? Or any other possible solution?
greetz
issue

well, I cleared the local dir.
I dunno exactly how i remoeved Xorg, but I think with -Rs.
Then I reinstalled Xorg but found the problem again.  So i cleared all local pacman files, means I deleted the local folder  . I am now thinking about installing all the packages on the base CD.
pacman -Syu updates the new installed files, which i installed since this mistake

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    make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/maarten/src/package-query/src/package-query-1.0.1/src'
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    make[2]: Entering directory `/home/maarten/src/package-query/src/package-query-1.0.1/doc'
    make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
    make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/maarten/src/package-query/src/package-query-1.0.1/doc'
    make[2]: Entering directory `/home/maarten/src/package-query/src/package-query-1.0.1'
    make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/maarten/src/package-query/src/package-query-1.0.1'
    make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/maarten/src/package-query/src/package-query-1.0.1'
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    make[1]: Entering directory `/home/maarten/src/package-query/src/package-query-1.0.1/src'
    make[2]: Entering directory `/home/maarten/src/package-query/src/package-query-1.0.1/src'
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    make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install-data-am'.
    make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/maarten/src/package-query/src/package-query-1.0.1/src'
    make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/maarten/src/package-query/src/package-query-1.0.1/src'
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    make[1]: Entering directory `/home/maarten/src/package-query/src/package-query-1.0.1/doc'
    make[2]: Entering directory `/home/maarten/src/package-query/src/package-query-1.0.1/doc'
    make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'.
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    make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/maarten/src/package-query/src/package-query-1.0.1/doc'
    make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/maarten/src/package-query/src/package-query-1.0.1/doc'
    make[1]: Entering directory `/home/maarten/src/package-query/src/package-query-1.0.1'
    make[2]: Entering directory `/home/maarten/src/package-query/src/package-query-1.0.1'
    make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'.
    make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install-data-am'.
    make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/maarten/src/package-query/src/package-query-1.0.1'
    make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/maarten/src/package-query/src/package-query-1.0.1'
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