PAL 25fps to Progressive for DVD

Is there a guide somewhere which states how to correctly convert between PAL 25fps video (telecined from film) to NTSC Progressive, with the 4% slowdown added and using the very best possible quality settings?
I'm confused about conforming the PAL video file - do I conform to 24 or 23.98 for progressive video? I then need to do the conversion using Compressor, then again to produce the .m2v and audio files ready for DVDSP import.
Can anybody offer some advice on the best way to achive this?

Marc Morris wrote:
he informs me that his filters are intended for video produced footage, not film derived.
not according to his film converter filter!
http://www.nattress.com/Products/standardsconversion/tech.htm

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This news to me as the camera is set to to PAL and I thought PAL is shot at 25 fps?
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