PCA "becomes" COPA

Hi Experts!
In our new project we should integrate a new company to our SAP system.
The new company is using many non-SAP systems (for billing, SD etc).. only FI and CCA/PCA is in place.
The main reporting requirement is to have profitability by paper machine.
The point is that in our SAP system we have only COPA.
My question would be how should I start to build up the concept to transfer their PCA system into our COPA system?
My idea was to take FI bookings coming from interfaces from other systems and either book them to a cost center and allocate it further to COPA and/or building up a direct profitability segment posting in FI postings...
Is there anything where I have to pay extra attention?
Thanks for your ideas/suggestions!

Hi,
I'd suggest, if it's possible, to build the profitability segment already with FI documents passed to your main system. Alternatively, you could think of an option to populate your CO-PA directly by independent interface from the combination of the local systems and other SAP. Then of course, your CO-PA will contain integrated documents from your SAP and 'disconnected' information from other systems, but still it would be possible to give proper profitability analysis. Keep in mind, that CO-PA mostly is a BI cube and could be managed totally independent from other SAP components if required. I implemented this oprion in several projects I was involved in.
Regards,
Eli

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