Positioning anchored graphic outside of table

I have a single-cell table with a small graphic that is anchored so that it is positioned to the left of the table and is particially in the margin area. The reason that the graphic can't be in a table cell is because it has to jut into the margin, past the text frame.
The table is inserted periodically throughout several documents. The lines of text in the table can vary -- sometimes it will have 1, 2, 3 lines of text in the cell.
I need to have the anchored graphic centered vertically to the left of the text in the cell -- the "y" distance for the anchored graphic varies according to the number of lines in the table cell. Is there a way to automatically center the graphic so that it doesn't need to be manually positioned for each table?

Make that frame the height of your cell and center its contents vertically. .. Oh wait, your row heights may be different, so you still have to resize the anchored frame. Anchor the frame into a cell that has its own contents vertically centered?
Perhaps there is an easier way. Re-reading from the top, you state "The reason that the graphic can't be in a table cell is because it has to jut into the margin, past the text frame." Well, a table can jut out into the margin at the right, if it is wider than the text frame -- a flaw/oversight/"feature" that has been put to good use for creating straddling headlines over two columns.
Let me put this question to you: what happens if you (a) insert a new column to the left of your table to put the graphic in, thus making the table too wide, and then (b) **Sanity Warning! Untested Claim Follows** set the paragraph of the table to right alignment?

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I believe we've covered this issue thoroughly. There's nothing wrong with your intention, but there is something missing about the containership behavior of ID's anchored frames that works fine in FM.
I think it's a bug. Others may think it's a personal wish that isn't supported. My thinking is that ID's frame objects are already packed with smarts about content type and fitting abilities, that the developers simply overlooked providing the ability to add new objects freely into a frame that's already got content (like FM can.)
Apparently designers don't encounter this need anywhere nearly as often as those who author annotated documents in Word, FM, or other similar tools that permit working in the isolated environment of a frame - adding, removing, resizing, rearranging text objects and graphic objects at will - as if it were a blank page environment. So, there have been few reports of problems in this area.
The main reliable anchored-frame solution for this particular problem is to create and revise the content outside of any frame, then group, select, and copy the composite object and paste it at the cursor insertion point, or save it as a separate ID file and place it as an anchored object.
Perhaps you've already explored using an unstroked table for this particular need. The baselines of text in your example seem to be aligned across the horizontal rows, and the divider lines also seem aligned on horizontal rows. The divider lines could be created by several means - underlines in cells, graphic lines in anchored frames in cells, or horizontal cell rulings.
The whole arrangement requires painstaking attention no matter how it's constructed, so the fussiness of working with a table wouldn't seem to add something that might not be needed with a different method. Because tables can break across frames, you'd need to set all rows to keep together.
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Luckily I had a recent backup of my file so restored it and got rid of the corruption I mentioned above.
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