Pre 1.4.1 Print profile choosing behavior back in LR2

Well I see the released version of LR2 has the exact same behavior when choosing printer profiles as pre 1.4.1 did. You guys are a real price of work. What the h___ were you thinking?
At least the workaround changing the colorsync profile in the colorsync utility still works but of course limits you to just a few paper choices.
MacPro 10.5.4, Canon iPF9000 Driver Version 1.30

> I am now finding exclamation points on a bunch of different preview images
> throughout the whole catalog
I have a PC and am not familiar with LR on the Mac, but I too had many
problems and appear to have made progress by removing the previews and
building them again. I thought I had done this already, but perhaps I
stepped on them with 1.4.1 by accident. In any case, I deleted the previews
again and am rendering them again. After a few hours, 9,552 previews have
been rendered, with about 37,000 to go. The rate of progress looks
reasonable. I don't want to do too much during this large number of
renders, but it appears as though I can navigate the images with relative
speed. I'll hit everything harder when the renders are done, but I'm
optimistic this time.
Bottom line. Try deleting your previews and see if that helps.
Best,
Christopher

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Printing profiles cannot be seen in CS2

I used to use Photoshop CS on my old computer. There it was possible to choose from a large list of profiles for different paper-types and different printers. I have now got a new Intel Mac (OS 10.8.3). I have installed Parallels so that I can run a 10.6 Snow Leopard server; and I have installed Photoshop CS2 in it. To my surprise and dismay, I cannot find out how to access the list of paper and printer profiles any more. Can anyone please tell me how? Thank you in anticipation.

Thank you for that explanation, Jeff. But some questions:
1. On my old computer there were far more of the printer/paper profiles than I had printers; I only had one printer. So the profiles (or the drivers?) must have been pre-installed in the computer system. Why not in my new Snow Leopard server?
2. If I want to copy them from my old computer, where are they stored, and where do I put them on the new computer?
3. On the new computer, when I look at the final page of CS2, ready to print, I cannot see the place on the page where I should click in order to see the profiles. It was quite obvious in CS on my old computer.
Sorry to be so ignorant and obtuse! Thank you for your help.

Printer profiles in templates

I've just spent most of the afternoon trying to resolve a problem.
My question is does any one know if the printer profile in " User Templates" overrides the one selected in the image settings column.
The reason I ask is that I've been trying to match 2 print sizes in LR without much success. The smaller ones match the screen but the larger one's don't. Both were printed from my own designed templates.Nothing complicated just some custom sizes. Switching to CS3 I printed the larger prints and got a perfect match.
In frustration I used one of the LR print templates to see what would happen. Guess what I got the match I was looking for.
Not wishing to make the mistake again I deleted the offending template before it occurred to me to check the profile associated with it.
Regrettably I couldn't check what printer profile was included, hence my question

When you print from iPhoto you can select the paper type, such as Archival Matt, and that Epson profile will be used. The Epson R300 Standard is merely a description of the printer you are using. This is the same behavior as in Photoshop. Where you might see a difference is in the way Photoshop displays the image on screen, based on your monitor profile and color settings. iPhoto is not really using a source profile for display purposes, other than the camera sRGB (assuming you're using a digital camera that uses sRGB. So if you edit an image in iPhotobrightness, contrast, etc) it may apper different on screen and cause you to make changes that will result in a unsatisfactory print.

How do you specify printer profiles in Elements 11?

I upgraded from Elements 7 where there was a "drop-down" box that listed all of the available printer profiles to choose from. I don't see a drop-down box in Elements 11 to accomplish the same thing. I use Color Munki to set up printer profiles and can't find them in Elements 11.

Both Epson and HP have been playing a game of Hide-and-Seek for the last year or two. Instead of putting the profiles they install into one of the common Profiles folders, they are in the /Library/Printers/ folder. For Epson, drill down to /Library/Printers/Epson/InkjetPrinter2/ICCProfiles. At least, this is where the installer for the Stylus Pro 4900 puts them.
It was much harder to find those installed for the Stylus Pro 4000. They are still in this general area, but were hidden inside one of the .plugin packages a bit deeper into the folder structure.
Either way, the Epson print drivers know where these profiles are and show up in the print dialogue boxes. Trouble is, other apps, such as Adobe, Quark, can't see them, so you can't choose any of the profiles from those program's print option boxes.
The only solution is to locate the profiles in the /Library/Printers/ folder and move all profiles to either the /Library/ColorSync/Profiles/ folder, or the Profiles folder in your user account. You want to move instead of copy so each profile isn't showing up twice in the Epson print dialogue box.

Printer Profiles Not Visible in LR4 Mac

Hey guys, just checking to see if there is something I'm missing.
Short version: My printer profiles are not showing up in the "choose profile" dialog in LR4.
Long versioin: I'm trying to print an image from LR4 to my Xerox Phaser 8560 using a custom color profile I created with my ColorMunki. However the profile isn't showing up in the "choose profile" dialog box. There is also no apparent way to open a dialog box to search for the file. The profile is recently created. Works in Indesign CS4. It's located in the main Library/Colorsync/Profiles/ and my user (~/Library/Colorsync/Profiles/). It doesn't show up even when checking the "include display profiles" checkbox which is the only option available.
System: iMac 27" 3.4Ghz i7 16G Ram; Xerox Phaser 8560DN; LR 4.0
Am I missing something here?
Thanks,
Jason

WinterEC wrote:
Am I missing something here?
You likely made a CMYK profile for the printer and LR doesn't support CMYK profiles. You'll have to remake the profile to be an RGB profile. ColorMunki can do that although it'll default to CMYK unless you override that...

[LR 5] Soft Proofing - Monitor Gamut Warning vary with printer profile ?!?!

Hi,
There's something I can't understand when using the soft proofing feature in LR.
The Monitor Gamut Warning feature (top left icon in the histogram when soft proofing is enabled) is supposed to show us what colors in the current image cannot be reproduced on the display. Right ? If I understand well, the warning computation is made by comparing the current image (virtualized by LR in the Melissa RGB color space) to the gamut of the display (read from the active calibration profile).
So why does LR show different "out of gamut" areas for the display when I change the printer profile selected when using soft proofing? This doesn't make sense to me.
Did I miss something?
Thanks in advance.

indeed they are vague about this. My thought about this comes from conversing with Adobe folks here and elsewhere as I am pretty sure I'vce discussed this on the forum before. As far as I know the monitor warning is supposed to be calculated after the conversion to the printer profile so that you get an idea whether the soft proofed color is accurately displayed. That shoud be the correct behavior as proofing can actually take a color either in or out of the monitor gamut. I am not 100% sure on this though but it certainly explains how it behaves.
Also if you calibrate your display and write out a icc v4 display profile, the situation changes again as now the display profile can actually contain a perceptual rendering intent, making it even less precise and the assumption of simple one-to-one linear conversions between color spaces is invalid. Few calibration software packages do this though but there are a few exceptions.
If you only want to know whether your image is outside of the display profile, you can indeed trick the soft proof to allow you to select a display profile as the printer proofing profile. You can in principle select a standard working space such as prophotoRGB there and get results that make sense. But you definitely do not want to have a random printer profile selected for the reasons cited above. I guess they could add some smartness to detect that you selected the profile of the current display and not a profile of another random display and then collapse the interface but that is such an edge case that I doubt Adobe would prioritize this. It works fine if you simply realize that you selected your monitor profile as the printer proof profile.

Unable to install Epson ICC printer profiles in Lion (access privileges message)

I upgraded to Lion and cannot install Epson ICC printer profiles. When I try to install, the installation is halted with the message that I do not have enough access privileges for this installation. Yes, I am the admin (I checked, as I know this is a known issue). I have the current updates to the O/S and the Epson driver. Specifically, these are printer paper profiles for an Espon Stylus Photo R2800 printer.

The ownership of the /Library/ColorSync directory and its contents changed in Lion. You acutally do not have enough priviliges as admin to write to that directory anymore. EPSON's installer does not have the ability to ask you for your password to escalate the admin privileges to root. You should report this to EPSON and insist that they update their installer.
There is a way to get the files installed, but it is pretty involved. I will give you the general idea but USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. There is a risk you could break your system and make it unusable.
With those admonitions in mind, here's the general outline.
1. Go to /Library/ColorSync. Highlight the folder and do a Get Info on it.
2. Under the Sharing & Permissions portion, give "everyone" the ability to Read & Write. Then choose to have this applied to all enclosed items.
3. Run the EPSON installer(s). The profiles will now install.
4. Change the ownership and permissions for all the installed items useing the Terminal--
For the EPSON folder the command is 'sudo chown -R root:wheel path_to_EPSON_folder'
For each and every item in the EPSON folder, the command is 'sudo chmod 644 path_to_item'
5. Open Disk Utility and Repair Permssions.
Message was edited by: Matt Broughton

How do you install printer profiles in Lion?

After Installing Lion , I cannot figure out how to install new printer profiles. Any help greatly appreciated.
Thanks

Both Epson and HP have been playing a game of Hide-and-Seek for the last year or two. Instead of putting the profiles they install into one of the common Profiles folders, they are in the /Library/Printers/ folder. For Epson, drill down to /Library/Printers/Epson/InkjetPrinter2/ICCProfiles. At least, this is where the installer for the Stylus Pro 4900 puts them.
It was much harder to find those installed for the Stylus Pro 4000. They are still in this general area, but were hidden inside one of the .plugin packages a bit deeper into the folder structure.
Either way, the Epson print drivers know where these profiles are and show up in the print dialogue boxes. Trouble is, other apps, such as Adobe, Quark, can't see them, so you can't choose any of the profiles from those program's print option boxes.
The only solution is to locate the profiles in the /Library/Printers/ folder and move all profiles to either the /Library/ColorSync/Profiles/ folder, or the Profiles folder in your user account. You want to move instead of copy so each profile isn't showing up twice in the Epson print dialogue box.

Which printer profile do I use?

I have a Epson Stylus Photo R360 printer connected to a Intel Mac running OSX 10.6 Snow Leopard. I am currently using Adobe Lightroom 3 as my main image browser and would like to know what the correct profile is to use to gain desirable prints when using Epson Premium gloss paper. At the moment I am trying to print Canon CR2 camera raw image files and find that when I try to output these they come out very dark and over saturated. If I just use the "managed by printer" option and then the "layout" option in the print dialogue, I get better results but not perfect! Do I need to set up a different print profile within Lightroom? If I turn off "managed by printer" in the Lightroom dialogue I get many profiles to choose from (see below) so would appreciate it if you could advise me on this. I have turned off the printer management as shown below - if this is correct! Other than trying out each profile on the list I don't know what to do. I would greatly appreciate any help on this please.

First, I second the previous post that your monitor needs to be calibrated and most important that the brightness is not set too high.
Even if your monitor has been calibrated, the brighntess might still be too high. Strangely enough, some calibration softwares recommend a brightness that is too high.
Your monitor brightness should be set to between 100 - 120, or else your prints will come out too dark.
Secondly, when you select "managed by printer" make sure that in the printer's dialog you select proPhoto RGB. By default most printers (I don't know the Epson R360) are set to sRGB.
LR by default (and it cannot be changed) uses proPhoto RGB (or to be precise a color space derived from proPhoto RGB).
When you select "managed by printer", LR sends the image file to the printer as proPhoto RGB and the printer interprets it as sRGB. The result is a print that is overly saturated.
So in a way you have to make sure that LR and your printer speak the same language. You can do it in two ways:
1) Let LR manage the colors by selecting a profile for your printer AND the paper you are using. You then have to switch off your printer's color management by selecting "Application managed" (or similar wording) in the printer's dialog.
2) Or you select "printer managed". In your printer's dialog you then have to select proPhoto RGB, or Adobe RGB but NOT sRGB. The prints will probably not be optimal when your printer's dialog does not give you the option of proPhoto RGB. If you have Photoshop, you could change the color space of your image to Adobe RGB or even to sRGB and thus achieve that your imgage's color space and the printer's color space match exactly.
WW

Printer profiles in iPhoto

Is there any way to use my Epson printer profiles in iPhoto when printing directly from iPhoto. I know I can select Colorsync, but what is it using for a printer profile?
If I get a custom profile for my printer (which I have), how can I select this?
There is quite a distinct color shift when printing from iPhoto using Colorsync, and when printing from Photoshop using the correct printer/paper profile, even using the 'canned' Epson profiles supplied with the printer.

When you print from iPhoto you can select the paper type, such as Archival Matt, and that Epson profile will be used. The Epson R300 Standard is merely a description of the printer you are using. This is the same behavior as in Photoshop. Where you might see a difference is in the way Photoshop displays the image on screen, based on your monitor profile and color settings. iPhoto is not really using a source profile for display purposes, other than the camera sRGB (assuming you're using a digital camera that uses sRGB. So if you edit an image in iPhotobrightness, contrast, etc) it may apper different on screen and cause you to make changes that will result in a unsatisfactory print.

Printer Profiles Help Please

Hi all, hoping to get a bit of help understanding printer profiles, the benefit of using them, how I know which profile to use etc etc. Would obviously like to get the best prints I can and if changing these setting will help it makes sense to get to knw how to use them. Just got a new printer too, so makes sense to start off on the right foot with it.
Using a Mac with OSX 10.9.1
Lightroom 5.3 Camera Raw 8
Canon Pixma MG5550 Printer. (new)

Printing using profiles has the potential of greatly improving your color accuracy and optimizing the results. I don't have the same printer you do, I have a Canon Pixma Pro-100. On the Canon website, under support for my printer, there was a download available that installed printer profiles for all of the different Canon papers. Additionally, I use several different Red River papers. And Red River provides profiles and instructions telling you what profiles to use to get the best results.
But the profiles alone will not guarantee that you will get good results. Your monitor needs to be adjusted to match what the printer produces. Those who are in the know insist that a hardware calibration device is a must in order to get accurate color. So far, I have not purchased one. But at the very least you should make a print and then adjust your monitor using monitor controls and operating system controls to match that monitor as closely as you can to the print. This is not the ideal or recommended way to set up your monitor. I'm still deciding whether or not to purchase a calibration device.
Once you have got your monitor adjusted to your satisfaction the process to set up your printing requires careful attention. It involves choosing one of the Canon papers that is closest to what you are using if it is not Canon paper. You make this choice in the Canon driver, and you choose from one of the Canon papers. You turn OFF color management in the printer driver. Then in your software that you will use to print you will instruct it to manage the color. If you are using third-party paper and have profiles for that paper, the manufacturer will tell you what profiles you should use.
Printing with profiles proved to be a bit tricky for me when I first started. I made several mistakes. But once the process sank in I found that my prints improved significantly.

Printer Profiles for Epson R260

I need to download UCC Printer Profiles for my Epson 260.
But the website doesn't list any.
It does show profiles for the R2200.
Where are they?

Geoff & Jao,
Evidently Epson does not generate ICC Profiles for the R260, just for the high-end printers like the R2200.
The Epson R260 driver has selections for all kinds of papers and different levels of preset quality and manual settings.
I have tested a lot of them.
Using Lightroom and Printer-managed color, all pictures are dull and lack-luster.
However, Lightroom has a profile for the R260 series; and with Epson driver set for ICC, pictures are good as PSE5 using ColorMatch RGB and Qimage with Epson drivers. I am using plain Photo Glossy paper and I don't know how the Lightroom profile knows which paper I'm using.
I searched in my PC for /Library/Colorsync/Profile and didn't find it. Do you know where it is in a PC?
Jao says to turn off color management in the driver. OFF seems to be bad; choosing ICC seems to be good.

Too many printer profile choices on my macbook print window!

I hit the "print" button on my macbook pro ( OS lion 10.7) to print to my Pixma MX 922. Suddenly there are about eight choices of MX922 printer profiles available on the drop down menu!
Can anyone tell me, please, which Printer Profile I should choose from the list? The choices include these (from a screen shot I took.)
Thanks for any advice!!

Hi Ynpgal,
The different selections displaying for your printer are related to the media types that you can select to print on from the application you are printing from for optimum print quality; they are not actually several instances of the printer. The media types associated with the listings are as follows; please select the printer listing for the media type you are printing on:
GL: Photo Paper Plus Glossy II
PT: Photo Paper Pro Platinum
SG/LU: Photo Paper Plus Semi-gloss / Photo Paper Pro Luster
MP: Matte Photo Paper
Hope this helps!
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Add printer profile to Adobe Photoshop Elements 7.0

Hi
I have Adobe Photoshop Elements 7.0 running on a Windows/7 64 bit system. I print to an epson 1400.
I wish to print a photo from the PSE editor. Unfortunately the editor does not allow me to choose the appropriate printer profile for the epson 1400 & the paper I have loaded.
The profiles are correctly installed in C:\Windows\System32\spool\drivers\color; and they are available to other programs, like MS Photo Viewer. But PSE editor does not display them as a choice.
PSE 7.03 does allows me to specify a printer profile. After pressing control-P I am presented with a PRINT dialog box. Among other things, I choose:
Color Handling: Photoshop Elements Manages Colors
Printer Profile: presents many options, including:
- working RGB - Adobe RGB (1998)
- working CMYK - U.S. Web Coasted ....
- working Gray
- and many others,
but no Epson profiles.
For Epson Premium Photo Paper Glossy I want to use the SP1400 1410 PGPS profile provided by epson.
Does anyone know how to get PSE 7.03 to allow this choice?
thanks
John

Colin
Thanks again for the helpful reply.
I have not previously calibrated my monitor. I am looking at that now. but
have avoided it because:
   1. Adobe recommends (http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/333/333356.html) that LCD
   displays not be calibrated.
   2. The colors on my Dell 2007WFP are the same as on the back display of
   my Nikon D80 within my ability to differentiate. And they are good!
   3. The colors produced by the Epson 1400 were way off for some skin
   tones (specifically brown skinned people - about half of the folk who I
   photograph). This was not a minor adjustment issue. And sometimes they
   were off in the Green direction, other times they looked red or orange, more
   in shadows than in highlights.
   4. The skin tones printed from Picasa were very good (short of excellent)
   while the skin tones from PSE 7.03 were completely inferior - I did not
   suspect a problem with the monitor calibration or the printer - PSE was at
   fault.
Ok, now I used the calibration tool that seems to be part of Win/7 - I got
to it via the control panel:display. I made no adjustments to the monitor -
it seemed fine.
I would like the printer to duplicate what I see on the monitor. prints are
a bit lighter than what I see on the screen.
I am printing now with the following parameters:
   1. from PSE Editor
   2. Photoshop Manages color
   3. Printer Preferences
      1. Premium Photo Paper Glossy (I use epson paper & inks)
      2. Color Management: ICM & No Color Adjustment
   4. Printer Profile: SP1400 1410 PGPP (thanks!)
   5. Rendering: Relative Colourimetric
John Kinne

Allow Soft Proofing - allow selecting printer profile

The claim to fame purports to make LightRoom a one-stop processing shop for Photographers.
Most photographers prefer to send their post-processed files to the lab. And if they really know their stuff, they are probably profiling their images to the lab printers. This is where LR fails miserably.
To make my point, I will start off by explaining how RawShooter worked (RawShooter was purchased by Adobe and after major surgical procedure sold as Lightroom):
For Rawshooter:
1. Open the RAW file.
2. Choose the profile of the printer I wish to use for the final output. This results in a significant color shift to the image as seen on the screen. After all, the benefit of the profile is to ensure that What You See Is What You Get (WYSIWYG).
3. Make changes to the image so that the final output is to your liking. (remember, the RAW files themselves are never modified. All you do is create offset points and save that data seperately)
4. Export to JPG
5. Send image to the lab with an assurance that WYSIWYG.
With Lightroom:
1. Open the RAW file
2. No ability to choose a printer profile.
3. Make changes to the image with no idea how the final output is going to look. (remember, the RAW files themselves are never modified. All you do is create offset points and save that data seperately)
4. Export to JPG
5. Send image to lab with the hope you like what you get (HYLWYG)
So, LR cannot be a one-stop shop for processing and printing RAW files. Any one who understands the importance of printer profiles would demand a WYSIWYG image to which one can apply the changes.
Rawshooter was much better at this.

>Here's the scoop. The reason for Lightroom is as a repsoitory for all your ORIGINAL ARCHIVE FILES...in a single place and single condition. The idea is that you DON'T need to keep track of all your "consumable file"-files that are made for a single consumption.
Here's another scoop, the idea as you describe it, doesn't really work.
The parts I'm having particular difficulty with :
1. There seems to be some fixed assumption as to what's "archiveable" and what's "consumable".
2. There also seems to be a double standard wherein some JPEGs and PSDs and TIFs can live happily aside their original RAW counterparts. Whereas other formats and color spaces can't. This is the abritrariness I was referring to in your earlier defense of LR being just for digicam snapshots.
Would it be more appropriate to ask at what point does a derivative of the original photo become a new archiveable format? How much value needs to be added -- or for that matter removed?
For example, I like to vectorize raw photos in Illustrator (which, incidentally, does an excellent job) -- then modify them as my master copy. This procedure modifies my photo into a new master derivative of the original photo -- not entirely unlike the way your friend John Paul modifies his photos into new master archiveables using Photoshop.
If I were to convert the new archievable, say, from PDF to PSD ... it turns it into a consumable with a narrower intention -- but not a master copy as it wouldn't be in it's original higher quality PDF, AI or EPS formats.
Another situation is where I get a CMYK scan back from the service bureau. An author may have had a photo hanging on the wall or in their photo album -- scanned. It would be more appropriate to inventory those master copies in the same project folder as digicam snaps (mixed archivable media) that the original author/photographer send me.
I also get other project pieces produced in other Adobe suite software. If an Adobe application generates a master digital snapshot of those archiveables, why couldn't they also be ingested into LR too?
IMO, having LR keep track of ALL derivative works makes a lot more sense than arbitrarily selecting subsets of what is deemed "archiveable." Why not let the customer decide that?
>So, that means that your "Library" is very simple and very organized.
It also means it's inaccurate. Right now LR is only ingesting 75% of what I would call my library. Of the 40,000 or so files I've attempted to inventory -- only slightly more than 30,000 are ingested. That means about 25% are falling through the cracks.
This might be acceptable for non-critical photography ... but falls short of enterprise expectations. And maybe -- click -- that's the intention? Maybe this product was never meant to address enterprise level photography. Is that it? Have I just over-shot your target market?
I've gone on the record as stating that LR is a valuable product, and I still highly recommend it for "many" things. However, IMO, it would be better to look a little over the horizon rather than digging in one's heals and prejudging what's archiveable.
The view that digicams are the only archiveable format is, IMO, sooooo yesterday ... dude ... :~)

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