Preserve RAW Data in Photoshop?

I typically optimize raw files in Adobe Raw Reader, then export to Photoshop. There, as a retoucher I manipulte, enhance, merge, clone, paint etc. I may also create separate versions of the file in Raw reader that may be optimized for highlights/midtones/shadows etc. If I anticipate numerous revise requests from client, I will use Smart Layers. But what if Raw files could be embedded in a layered photosop file with the full depth of the raw data intact? In Photosop, I never merge adjustment layers. But I am limited to the raw data that I exported from Camera Raw Reader (or LightRoom). If Smart layers could also retain the original raw data -that cold be very powerful. Perhaps those elements could be RE-OPENED in Raw Reader with the result updated in Photoshop as a linked element?
Perhaps this feature already exists in one form or another, and I missed it. If so please let me know. If not, I would like to see this in the suggestion box. (I used to be a beta tester for the first few versions of Photoshop)

FauxtoGuy wrote:
But what if Raw files could be embedded in a layered photosop file with the full depth of the raw data intact?
They can, it's called Smart Objects. Hold shift when opening from ACR, and "Open Image" turns into "Open Object". To re-edit in ACR, double-click the thumbnail, click OK and the Photoshop file updates.
This is an embedded and not a linked raw file. The advantage of that is that you can have several layered instances developed differently. You'll get a Layer Panel that looks like this:
The downside is that Smart Objects can't be edited directly on a pixel level. But you can use adjustment layers and masks.
EDIT: cross post. But you get the point.

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I bought a Sony alpha 77II and can not open RAW in adobe photoshop elements 12.

I bought a Sony alpha 77II and can not open RAW in adobe photoshop elements 12. Image data converter is not ok because of to much pre defined colour management, suggestions ?

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Is it impossible to modify a RAW file in Photoshop?

I needed to modify an image using the clone tool in Photoshop and opened the RAW file from Lightroom in Photoshop to make the modification. When I saved the image it saved as 'filename-Edit.tif' next to the RAW file. I added that image to my catalog so I could keep track of it.
What I really wanted to do was to make the modification to the RAW file and save by overwriting the old RAW file.
I think that may not be possible.
Could someone here tell me why the RAW file could not be modified in Photoshop. Is this to ensure that the RAW file will remain original, with modifications only appearing in the sidecar .xmp file? This is fine and good, but just wanted to make sure that that is the only way it can be done and that modifications in Photoshop will yield a new separate file upon saving.
Thanks,
Ken

What I really wanted to do was to make the modification to the RAW file and save by overwriting the old RAW file.
That is indeed as you found out impossible.
Could someone here tell me why the RAW file could not be modified in Photoshop.
The reason is that the RAW file is a mosaiced file with direct sensor data at each pixel. Usually two out of four pixels have a green filter, while 1 out of four have a red and another 1 out of 4 a green pixel. The data is usually stored with 12 or 14 bit precision for each pixel. All this is inherently incompatible with the pixel model of a program like Photoshop. To edit such files in Photoshop, you need to demosaic them to full three-channel RGB data, render them into a certain color space, gamma correct them, sharpen them, etc. This is what ACR and Lightroom do for you. So you cannot edit the underlying data using Photoshop. If you edit in Photoshop, you will always have to create a new file.
P.S. you might have noticed that the edit in Photoshop creates a far larger tif file than the original RAW. This is because of the Bayer mosaic. Say you have a 12 MP camera. When shooting 12-bit RAW, this will result in a 18 MB uncompressed dataset (12MP*12bits/(8bits/byte)= 18MB). Saved losslesly compressed and including a jpeg preview that gets you approximately to 12 MB for a typical RAW file from that camera. When you render this into a 16 bit tiff, you suddenly need a full 3x16=48 bits per pixel! So this results in a 72 MB uncompressed tiff file, which will probably compress to about 50% of that. More than 3 times larger than the original RAW!

RAW and adobe photoshop elements 12

I bought a sony alpha 77II and can not open in adobe photoshop elements 12. Image data converter not ok because to much colour pre-defined.

Super !! Thanks a lot for the info, yes it works with 8.5 !!!!
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Output sharpening in Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) and Photoshop CS5

Output sharpening in Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) and Photoshop CS5
I want to do two-pass sharpening - capture and output - with output capture done just before I print. I do the initial (capture) sharpening in the ACR Detail/Sharpening panel, with Amount slider set to, for example, 100. Then, I open the image to PS CS5 as a Smart Object, and use layers and masks for further editting.
My question is, can I go back to ACR for the final (output) sharpening pass? When I re-open the file in ACR, the Sharpening Amount slider is back to zero, but the other three sliders are still at the settings I used at the start of the process, i.e., the capture sharpening. If I again set the Amount slider to a positive value, then again open the image in PS for printing, will my second pass through the ACR Sharpening panel take effect - will it accumulate on top of the initial sharpening?
By the way, the reason I want do output sharpening in ACR rather than, say, PS Unsharp Mask, is so I can use the Masking slider in ACR, which is much easier than the comparable techniques available in PS. I am aware that some say you should not do any masking for the output sharpening. I'd like to though.
Thanks for ideas.

This is pretty much the way I do it, and I also always found ACR sharpening superior to anything in Photoshop. There is the "sharpen for output" in ACR, but you have little control over it.
The tricky part is feeding the file through ACR a second time. I don't think re-opening the Smart Object will do anything more than you could have done the first time. I do it with a rendered TIFF, and have an intricate set of actions that I run in the Image Processor Pro. It's a mess, and you don't want to know.
The frustrating part is how to action ACR. I just can't figure it out. It'll work, and then I have to change some setting and the action stops working. I suspect you need a script, but so far I haven't found any.
So I've come to a compromise: I first process to TIFF in a temp folder, then I bulk open them in ACR to sharpen, then a second process to finish up.
For less critical files I have a sharpening action that comes close, involving edge masks and blend ifs, using smart sharpen which tends to preserve edges better than unsharp mask, and with less accumulation of noise.
Bottom line: I'm also very interested in further comments to this. BTW, I recently bought Lightroom 4, so maybe there is a posibility using that in a mixed workflow.

Add ability to use raw data in the Histogram and clipping indicators

I have posted this as an ACR and Lightroom Feature Request at the Photoshop Family site.
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/raw_data_histogram_display_lightroom _and_adobe_camera_raw?rfm=1
It was suggested I also post it here to for more visibility.
"The current Histogram display in Lightroom and Adobe Camera Raw accurately display the file image data for JPEG, PNG, PSD, TIFF file types, but not for raw files.
When a raw file is demosaiced and a camera profile applied it is no longer possible to determine the actual R-G-B-G2 raw data clipping levels. This is useful for determining best exposure settings (ETTR) when shooting tethered, evaluating exposure bracketed images, or for simply determining your camera's exposure metering accuracy.
This can be added as a user-selectable option button in the current Histogram to allow viewing of the camera file's R-G-B-G2 raw data values."
This has been requested in the past, but there appears to be mixed feelings and some confusion as to its benefits:
http://forums.adobe.com/message/3967184#3967184
The sole objective of using the raw image file data in the Histogram is to determine if the image file contains clipped pixels. The actual raw data preview image is of no value other than to "accurately" display those pixels using the Highlight and Shadow clipping indicators. A good example of this implementation is the RawDigger application available for download here:
http://www.rawdigger.com/

Yes but it can be problematic in so far as some users find it can slow down their system. When you first switch it on it can take a while for all your files to be updated. If you're in the habit of making edits and adjustments to multiple selected images this too can slow things down. Anyway, to activate the it you'll, need to open
Catalog Settings from the
File menu, then set the
Metadata: Automatically write changes into XMP to On - see attached screenshot.

Why Aperture doesn't send the RAW file to Photoshop

I've seen the complaint about Aperture not passing the original RAW file to Photoshop in several places in this forum. I think I have a reason for why Aperture doesn't work this way.
The reason has to do with the 1st law of digital RAW photography. "Never, ever, overwrite the original RAW data from a camera's RAW format file."
Because of the above rule, both Aperture and Photoshop do not actually work on the original RAW file. They transform the RAW image data into a usable image using user specified settings (which may be the camera's default setting for that image). The original RAW file is left untouched.
When you open a RAW file in Photoshop and try to save it, you'll be prompted for a new file name. You wouldn't want to overwrite the original RAW file by writing the edited image data back to it.
When you edit an Aperture RAW file using Photoshop as the external editor, Aperture first creates a TIFF or PSD version image file in its library and then passes that file name to Photoshop. Photoshop opens the TIFF or PSD file and directly edits it. Since this version file is already in Aperture's library, when Photoshop is finished editing it, Aperture automatically sees the edited file because its already in the library.
If Aperture were to send the RAW file name to Photoshop, Photoshop would open the RAW file and create a new PSD file. When it came time to save your edits, where would you save it. In order to get it back into Aperture's library, you would need some form of Photoshop to Aperture communication so that Photoshop would know where to save the edited file and Aperture would know to add it to the library. This would require collaboration between both Adobe and Apple and doesn't seem likely.
I have a couple of ideas someone can try. These are only ideas and completely untested. I'd do it myself but I don't own Aperture (see my computer info below for the reason).
1. Create two folders with automator actions. You export your RAW files from Aperture to a "Photoshop-IN" folder. Any new RAW image found in this folder will be automatically opened in Photoshop by the Automator action. Then you save the edited Photoshop file into a 2nd folder "Aperture-IN". Another Automator action imports this into Aperture.
2. In iPhoto, if you try to edit a RAW image with an external editor, iPhoto creates an intermediate image file (JPEG I think) which it passes to Photoshop. But, if you drag the original RAW image thumbnail from iPhotos library window to the Photoshop icon in the dock, the original RAW image file is passed to Photoshop. You only have the problem of getting the saved Photoshop file back into iPhoto's library. Maybe this same thing would work in Aperture by dragging the Master image to the Photoshop icon in the dock.
PowerMac G4 Dual 1.25GHz Mac OS X (10.4.3) FW800, 4 internal HD - 550GB

This is all well and good. I wholeheartedly agree with the idea of keeping the "master" sacrosanct. What I object to is not being able to do the conversion in Photoshop (or elsewhere)
What I want is for Aperture to send the raw over to photoshop when I select "open in external editor", and then follow the current workflow (I do my edits, hit save, and a second master is added to Aperture's db.)
It's totally possible for them to do this, and it wouldn't break anything in the system, or the philosophy. Of course it's a workaround that wouldn't be necessary if Aperture's converter were up to snuff. But it isn't, and I bet it would be easier to implement the workaround than to fix the fundamental defects in the converter itself.

I can't open my Nikon D7100 RAW image in Photoshop CS5

Q I am having difficulty downloading Camera Raw 6.7 onto Photoshop CS5 Please advise

The DNG Converter 8.2 is available in the Camear Raw updates section of Adobe’s updates page: http://www.adobe.com/downloads/updates.html
The DNG Converter is a standalone application that you must run explicitly to processes a FOLDER of raw files at a time, and creates a copy of each of the folder’s raw files that has a DNG extension. Its purpose is to create a package containing the original raw data plus the camera profile and other camera-support parameters so that older ACR plug-ins have enough information to process the raw data.
This is an extra step that some find inconvenient and if you’re not comfortable deleting your original RAWs (I never delete them) then you’ll end of with things taking about twice the space.
Personally, I always update to the current version of PS so I have the current version of the ACR plug-in so PS will integrated seamlessly with the current version of Lightroom which is the main image-adjustment component of my workflow, and I rarely use PS, anymore.

Adobe Camera Raw plugin for Photoshop 7

Is it still possible to purchase the Adobe Camera Raw plugin for Photoshop 7?
If so, can the plugin read *.raw files from an Olympus C-8080?

HI mattscreative,
Yes I've installed that but that imports .orf files and my camera saves .raw files.
Thanks,
Mike
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Have you tried using the software for your camera? Looks like Olympus has one available for PS 6.0 and up. C-8080 Software:
http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/software_results.asp?id=961& os=w Instructions:http://www.olympusamerica.com/files/oima_cckb/Rawplugin_instr.pdf
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Raw images in Photoshop CS5 and download of 7.3 plug-in

I am unable to open my Raw images from a Nikon D600 using CS 5. Also unable to download the 7.3 raw plug-in. Help wou;l be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Thanks, i will upgrade to CS6, make life easier!
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Camera Raw 7+ is only compatible with Photoshop CS6+ CS5's compatibility stopped with Raw 6.7 http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/global/camera-raw-compatible-applic ations.html If you don't upgrade Photoshop, your next best option is to convert your D600 Raw files to DNG and work on the DNGshttp://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/extend.displayTab2.htmlhttp://www.adobe.com/suppor t/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5486
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'Raw' Data XMP view shows internal properties that don't exist in the data

In FileInfo view for an image, if I switch to the 'Raw Data' tab, it shows photoshop:ColorMode and photoshop:ICCProfile. However, when I check the actual XMP data of the image e.g. using exiftool or a text editor, these properties do not exist in the XMP data.
According to this thread: http://forums.adobe.com/message/5057589 these are both internal properties to PS / Bridge, which explains why they don't exist in the XMP. But why are they shown in the 'Raw' data view for the XMP then? Showing them here is just confusing as it makes it seem like they should exist in the XMP data.
I can't really see any point in including nonexistent tags in the Raw Data view. But if it is deemed necessary, how about highlighting them a different color, such as using a grey font instead of black? At least it would indicate that they were different to the real data.
P.S. This is with Bridge CS5, possibly the issue has been fixed in CS6?

Hi Paul
The issue is that the Bridge File Info panel is showing these tags in the XMP for the image, but if you check the XMP of the file, those tags aren't there.
As a side issue, Bridge File Info panel is also showing the XMP in a different structure to that which exists in the actual file. There are two issues here really
ACR is not writing the photoshop:ColorMode tag (or the photoshop:ICCProfile tag) to the JPEG (I checked the .xmp sidecar file for the RAW file and the photoshop:ColorMode tag does exist in there, but does not exist in the JPEG file converted through ACR).
Bridge's File Info panel is showing data in the XMP that is not actually there.
Although I would like the ColorMode tag added to the image, I don't think point 1 is a real issue, since the ICC profile is embedded okay. Point 2 does appear to be a bug (or at least it is confusing if it is intended behaviour).

Exporting File Name to "Raw Data" Metadata

At one time I was able to export a file's original file name in the "Raw Data" area of the metadata. I seem to have lost that ability in LR 4. I find this useful when a client renames a file and then wants me to find the original. I would open the file in Photoshop (or even a word processor) and the original name would be in the Raw Data area in File Info.
When LR 4 imports the file the first time, it apparently still creates the xmp file with the file name at the end of <rdf:Description rdf:about="" field and it looks like: crs:RawFileName="_DSC6501.NEF">
At one time Lightroom exported that info. But now I seem to have lost that file name info, even with "Export All Metadata" selected.
This is how it would look in Photoshop's File Info:
<rdf:Description rdf:about=""
            xmlns:crs="http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/">
         <crs:RawFileName>DSC_8466.NEF</crs:RawFileName>
         <crs:Version>6.7</crs:Version>
         <crs:ProcessVersion>5.7</crs:ProcessVersion>
Now it just says:
<rdf:Description rdf:about=""
            xmlns:crs="http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/">
         <crs:Version>7.0</crs:Version>
         <crs:ProcessVersion>6.7</crs:ProcessVersion>
What am I missing?
Thanks!
Stan

Hi John, Thanks for your reply. I actually use Metadata Wrangler, but there is no "copy original file name into metadata" switch that I can see. And when you ask it to export all metadata, it actually doesn't.
After several hours of testing I've found the culprit. Lightroom does not export all the metadata if you save it to a JPEG file, even if you tell it to. Neither does Photoshop's "Save for Web" even if you tell it to save all metadata. Both lose the field with the original file name (see my first post above).
But if you export the file to Photoshop using the "CMD + E" command, Photoshop gets all the metadata. If you then "Save As" a JPEG, the original file name travels to the newly created JPEG file. It's there in the metadata. If you then do the same thing with "Save for Web" with "metadata" "all" you lose the file name field.
So since you are asking all these programs to "save all metadata" and they don't, I would consider that a bug.
Wouldn't you?

Converting to DNG in LR4 does not preserve the date

When converting to from Canon CR2 raw to DNG (on Windows 7 x64), the newly created file has the conversion date and not the creation date of the original picture file.
This is an issue several people have complained about for the DNG converter and one suggestion was to run a custom script: http://forums.adobe.com/message/4109737#4109737
I hope Lightroom 4, with the goal to optimize the photo editing workflow, will give us an uption to preserve the date.

Thats completely confusing: LR shows me first a date/time which is of no use at all – who will be ever interested in such file data when editing pictures.
The one date/time that's really interesting - when to photo was taken - follows in the second row. And again strange: it is labeled in braces: (original)

Seeing raw data in TIF file

Can I use Photoshop to open a TIF file and actually see the raw data (pixel data) inside the file?

BMP might be easier to parse into tabular data:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMP_file_format

Importing Camera Raw data in iPhoto

I cannot get iPhoto 08 to import camera raw data . It shows a thumbnail when I select the file to import but fails to import it. On all atempts with good photo files, this is the same. The files were made in the camera raw setting on a Nikon coolpix 5700.

I have the same problem with my Nikon 5700 and have had since iPhoto version 5. Discussions on dpreview forums confirm other users have the same problem. If you want a laugh, you can read about my experiences below and save yourself a frustrating call to Apple technical support. But the short answer is that you need software other than iPhoto. Any product of this type from other companies will handle your files no problem.
I have a new, up to date version of iPhoto 08 that came with my new MacBook and it will not import the 5700's RAW files. (The same files are imported perfectly by iView Media Pro, Adobe Lightroom, and by Photoshop.)
(iPhoto Version 4 supported RAW from the 5700 but, on upgrade, I lost the ability to import RAW. My existing imported RAW files lost the ability to preview too. Hundreds of users on web user forums reported the same problem. Attempts to revert to iPhoto 4 corrupted my library. I eventually had to reformat my drive to allow me to reinstall iPhoto 4. In the end, my confidence was shaken enough that I reluctantly switched to iView Media Pro.)
I also converted the 5700 RAW files to DNG (Adobe's standard open RAW format designed for just this purpose), but no luck there either.
I called Apple technical support and eventually got through to the "iPhoto department" and talked to someone who had no clue about the subject. He didn't even know what a DNG was.
I asked if he could supply a list of cameras compatible with iPhoto and he said no he couldn't. I noted that there was an "iPhoto Device Compatibility" link on the web site but that the link was broken. I suggested that this meant that such a list existed somewhere and that it was just a matter of finding it. He said that, if the list wasn't on that page, it didn't exist.
I asked if the technical question could be escalated to a higher level of tech support, and he didn't know what escalate meant. He eventually went away to talk to someone titled "Product Specialist" (I had thought that was who I was talking to) and the product specialist said that no one at Apple could confirm what devices iPhoto is compatible with. Apparently, the development team at Apple wrote the software and then promptly forgot how it works, so we're pretty much on our own.
In short, it appears that there's no guarantee that upgrades to iPhoto will continue to support RAW files from a given camera. Since iPhoto stores your catalogue info in a proprietary file (the iPhoto library), this means each upgrade runs the risk of all your photo library work going down the tubes.
This is a crying shame and a show stopper for an otherwise intuitive and elegant program.
Try Adobe Lightroom or iView Media Pro as alternatives. Lightroom is more expensive ($300), but gives great photo adjusting capabilities. iView Media is just a cataloguing program, but has a superb file organization system. Unfortunately, its interface is not as pretty as iPhoto's and it has a steeper learning curve.
Good luck!

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