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We run level 0 incrementals once a week. The other days are level 1 incremental cumulatives. Using 9i.
Here is our RMAN configuration:
CONFIGURE RETENTION POLICY TO RECOVERY WINDOW OF 7 DAYS;
CONFIGURE BACKUP OPTIMIZATION ON;
CONFIGURE CONTROLFILE AUTOBACKUP ON;
CONFIGURE CONTROLFILE AUTOBACKUP FORMAT FOR DEVICE TYPE DISK TO 'D:\oracle\oradata\Backup\prodPerm\rman\%F.bck';
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sql "alter system checkpoint";
allocate channel prodPerm type disk format 'D:\oracle\oradata\Backup\prodperm\rman\b_%u_%p_%c.bak';
BACKUP INCREMENTAL LEVEL 0 DATABASE FILESPERSET 4;
BACKUP tag = "full archive backup" ARCHIVELOG ALL;
DELETE ARCHIVELOG UNTIL TIME 'SYSDATE-7';
release channel prodPerm;
crosscheck backup;
report need backup;
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DELETE BACKUP COMPLETED BEFORE 'SYSDATE-7' DEVICE TYPE DISK;
sql "alter system checkpoint";
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BACKUP INCREMENTAL LEVEL 1 CUMULATIVE DATABASE FILESPERSET 4;
BACKUP tag = "full archive backup" ARCHIVELOG ALL;
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release channel prodPerm;
crosscheck backup;
report need backup;
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YEs, if list backup of archivelog all reports only file with Completion Time 02-FEB-06 to 09-FEB-06 you can remove them without problem. However you must be sure you are not in the situation mentioned in my first post (containing the metalink note).
Regarding your backup script: You never backed up a archivelog. You just tried to drop existing (if any) backups of archivelogs.
Here the demonstration
- I execute you command
- I list all backup to retrieve the last execute backup
- I check the contents (You will see that there are not archive)
RMAN> BACKUP INCREMENTAL LEVEL 0 DATABASE FILESPERSET 4;
Starting backup at 10-FEB-06
using channel ORA_DISK_1
channel ORA_DISK_1: starting incremental level 0 datafile backupset
channel ORA_DISK_1: specifying datafile(s) in backupset
including current SPFILE in backupset
including current controlfile in backupset
input datafile fno=00001 name=/db/ARON/fs1/system_d01_0.dbf
input datafile fno=00003 name=/db/ARON/fs1/user_s01_0.dbf
channel ORA_DISK_1: starting piece 1 at 10-FEB-06
channel ORA_DISK_1: finished piece 1 at 10-FEB-06
piece handle=/db/ARON/BACKUP/RMAN/backup_ARON_582026921_245_1_7lhb21l9_1_1.bck comment=NONE
channel ORA_DISK_1: backup set complete, elapsed time: 00:00:26
channel ORA_DISK_1: starting incremental level 0 datafile backupset
channel ORA_DISK_1: specifying datafile(s) in backupset
input datafile fno=00004 name=/db/ARON/fs1/undo_d01_0.dbf
input datafile fno=00002 name=/db/ARON/fs1/test_d01_0.dbf
channel ORA_DISK_1: starting piece 1 at 10-FEB-06
channel ORA_DISK_1: finished piece 1 at 10-FEB-06
piece handle=/db/ARON/BACKUP/RMAN/backup_ARON_582026947_246_1_7mhb21m3_1_1.bck comment=NONE
channel ORA_DISK_1: backup set complete, elapsed time: 00:00:25
Finished backup at 10-FEB-06
RMAN> list backup summary;
List of Backups
===============
Key     TY LV S Device Type Completion Time #Pieces #Copies Tag
3207    B  0  A DISK        24-OCT-05       1       1       TAG20051024T163622
3208    B  0  A DISK        24-OCT-05       1       1       TAG20051024T163622
3221    B  A  A DISK        24-OCT-05       1       1       TAG20051024T163709
3240    B  A  A DISK        02-NOV-05       1       1       TAG20051102T225314
3241    B  A  A DISK        02-NOV-05       1       1       TAG20051102T225314
3261    B  A  A DISK        02-NOV-05       1       1       TAG20051102T225358
3265    B  F  A DISK        02-NOV-05       1       1       TAG20051102T225401
3360    B  F  A DISK        23-JAN-06       1       1       TAG20060123T172135
3374    B  A  A DISK        23-JAN-06       1       1       TAG20060123T194305
3397    B  A  A DISK        23-JAN-06       1       1       TAG20060123T194718
3404    B  A  A DISK        23-JAN-06       1       1       TAG20060123T194744
3443    B  A  A DISK        01-FEB-06       1       1       TAG20060201T164721
3444    B  A  A DISK        01-FEB-06       1       1       TAG20060201T164721
3450    B  0  A DISK        01-FEB-06       1       1       TAG20060201T164725
3451    B  0  A DISK        01-FEB-06       1       1       TAG20060201T164725
3464    B  A  A DISK        01-FEB-06       1       1       TAG20060201T164811
3468    B  F  A DISK        01-FEB-06       1       1       TAG20060201T164814
3472    B  F  A DISK        01-FEB-06       1       1       TAG20060201T164817
3524    B  A  A DISK        07-FEB-06       1       1       TAG20060207T130254
3543    B  A  A DISK        08-FEB-06       1       1       TAG20060208T200209
3547    B  F  A DISK        08-FEB-06       1       1       TAG20060208T200214
3559    B  A  A DISK        08-FEB-06       1       1       TAG20060208T200302
3563    B  1  A DISK        09-FEB-06       1       1       TAG20051024T163622
3583 B 0 A DISK 10-FEB-06 1 1 TAG20060210T100840
3584 B 0 A DISK 10-FEB-06 1 1 TAG20060210T100840
RMAN> list backup tag="TAG20060210T100840";
List of Backup Sets
===================
BS Key  Type LV Size       Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
3583    Incr 0  147M       DISK        00:00:21     10-FEB-06     
        BP Key: 3585   Status: AVAILABLE   Tag: TAG20060210T100840
        Piece Name: /db/ARON/BACKUP/RMAN/backup_ARON_582026921_245_1_7lhb21l9_1_1.bck
  SPFILE Included: Modification time: 07-FEB-06
  List of Datafiles in backup set 3583
  File LV Type Ckp SCN    Ckp Time  Name
  1    0  Incr 7115707068 10-FEB-06 /db/ARON/fs1/system_d01_0.dbf
  3    0  Incr 7115707068 10-FEB-06 /db/ARON/fs1/user_s01_0.dbf
BS Key  Type LV Size       Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
3584    Incr 0  11M        DISK        00:00:23     10-FEB-06     
        BP Key: 3586   Status: AVAILABLE   Tag: TAG20060210T100840
        Piece Name: /db/ARON/BACKUP/RMAN/backup_ARON_582026947_246_1_7mhb21m3_1_1.bck
  List of Datafiles in backup set 3584
  File LV Type Ckp SCN    Ckp Time  Name
  2    0  Incr 7115707077 10-FEB-06 /db/ARON/fs1/test_d01_0.dbf
  4    0  Incr 7115707077 10-FEB-06 /db/ARON/fs1/undo_d01_0.dbf
RMAN> backup archivelog all delete input;
Starting backup at 10-FEB-06
current log archived
using channel ORA_DISK_1
channel ORA_DISK_1: starting archive log backupset
channel ORA_DISK_1: specifying archive log(s) in backup set
input archive log thread=1 sequence=54 recid=238 stamp=582026891
input archive log thread=1 sequence=55 recid=239 stamp=582026892
input archive log thread=1 sequence=56 recid=240 stamp=582026893
input archive log thread=1 sequence=57 recid=241 stamp=582026899
input archive log thread=1 sequence=58 recid=242 stamp=582026900
input archive log thread=1 sequence=59 recid=243 stamp=582027039
channel ORA_DISK_1: starting piece 1 at 10-FEB-06
channel ORA_DISK_1: finished piece 1 at 10-FEB-06
piece handle=/db/ARON/BACKUP/RMAN/backup_ARON_582027040_247_1_7nhb21p0_1_1.bck comment=NONE
channel ORA_DISK_1: backup set complete, elapsed time: 00:00:02
channel ORA_DISK_1: deleting archive log(s)
archive log filename=/db/ARON/archiver/1_54.dbf recid=238 stamp=582026891
archive log filename=/db/ARON/archiver/1_55.dbf recid=239 stamp=582026892
archive log filename=/db/ARON/archiver/1_56.dbf recid=240 stamp=582026893
archive log filename=/db/ARON/archiver/1_57.dbf recid=241 stamp=582026899
archive log filename=/db/ARON/archiver/1_58.dbf recid=242 stamp=582026900
archive log filename=/db/ARON/archiver/1_59.dbf recid=243 stamp=582027039
Finished backup at 10-FEB-06Bye, Aron
Message was edited by:
Aron Tunzi
Sorry, by the demonstration I didn't see the line in your script that you include the archivelogs, too.

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    Second, I was unable to browse the older TM backups using TM and it seems that I cannot "browse other TM backups" using such TM option because the window were not showing me any drive.
    I have then realized that I have to mount the sparse bundle to see it in such TM option: then it seems to work perfectly.
    So there is no need for me to find a solution to use again the same backup with the local disk: if I need something in future I will use the TM option to browse other backups and I think I will be able to recover any file from there. May be I cannot recover mails in this way.
    I think it is also possible to fix by using the procedure listed in the previous link: I didn't try just because I don't want to spend more time on this issue and because I have not enough free space on other drives... but...
    ...it should be enought to:
    1- connect a new drive to the computer;
    2- mount the old TM sparse bundle image;
    3- use SuperDuper to copy all contents of mounted sparse bundle image into the new attached drive;
    contents of the sparse bundle image seems to be equal to the structure and names used by a new fresh backup on a local USB disk, so I suppose that it could work... if someone wants to try a tell if it is so... thanks!

  • HT3275 What do i do when, having reconnected my Time-Machine Backup disk, i'm told that there is not sufficient space to do a backup ? it seems somehow that my previous backup was "closed" and i cannot continue using it, so Time machine appears to start a

    I use an external 500 GB WD hard drive for my Time-Machine backup.
    Sometimes - several times - after i've disconnected the drive to go travelling, when i reconnect the external drive, Time Machine tries to resume but tells me there is not enough space on the drive, and to chose a bigger disk.
    It is as if the previous backup file is "closed' and cannot be written to again.
    The only fix i can find is to erase, start again from scratch and do a full backup from scratch - which totally defeats the purpose of Time Machine.
    I've tried repairing the disk, nothing appears to allow the previous backup to be continued.
    Suggestions please ??
    Jean-Noel Cozon

    Hi Linc,
    Thanks for getting back - if i understood correctly, the info you suggested i collect is hereunder ...
    Jan 22 06:08:09 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4353]: Starting standard backup
    Jan 22 06:08:10 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4353]: Backing up to: /Volumes/Time-Machine MBP15 Backup/Backups.backupdb
    Jan 22 06:10:54 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4353]: No pre-backup thinning needed: 3.12 GB requested (including padding), 234.07 GB available
    Jan 22 06:18:20 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4353]: Copied 28083 files (2.2 GB) from volume MBP-15.
    Jan 22 06:21:57 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4353]: No pre-backup thinning needed: 3.13 GB requested (including padding), 231.88 GB available
    Jan 22 06:29:10 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4353]: Copied 23509 files (2.2 GB) from volume MBP-15.
    Jan 22 06:32:01 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4353]: Starting post-backup thinning
    Jan 22 06:32:01 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4353]: No post-back up thinning needed: no expired backups exist
    Jan 22 06:32:02 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4353]: Backup completed successfully.
    Jan 22 07:08:09 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4474]: Starting standard backup
    Jan 22 07:08:10 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4474]: Backing up to: /Volumes/Time-Machine MBP15 Backup/Backups.backupdb
    Jan 22 07:10:52 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4474]: No pre-backup thinning needed: 3.13 GB requested (including padding), 231.88 GB available
    Jan 22 07:18:26 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4474]: Copied 28091 files (2.2 GB) from volume MBP-15.
    Jan 22 07:22:02 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4474]: No pre-backup thinning needed: 3.13 GB requested (including padding), 229.69 GB available
    Jan 22 07:29:22 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4474]: Copied 23517 files (2.2 GB) from volume MBP-15.
    Jan 22 07:32:14 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4474]: Starting post-backup thinning
    Jan 22 07:32:14 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4474]: No post-back up thinning needed: no expired backups exist
    Jan 22 07:32:15 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4474]: Backup completed successfully.
    Jan 22 08:08:10 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4595]: Starting standard backup
    Jan 22 08:08:10 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4595]: Backing up to: /Volumes/Time-Machine MBP15 Backup/Backups.backupdb
    Jan 22 08:10:56 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4595]: No pre-backup thinning needed: 3.13 GB requested (including padding), 229.68 GB available
    Jan 22 08:18:19 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4595]: Copied 28099 files (2.2 GB) from volume MBP-15.
    Jan 22 08:21:50 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4595]: No pre-backup thinning needed: 3.14 GB requested (including padding), 227.49 GB available
    Jan 22 08:29:18 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4595]: Copied 23525 files (2.2 GB) from volume MBP-15.
    Jan 22 08:32:09 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4595]: Starting post-backup thinning
    Jan 22 08:32:09 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4595]: No post-back up thinning needed: no expired backups exist
    Jan 22 08:32:10 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4595]: Backup completed successfully.
    Jan 22 09:08:09 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4716]: Starting standard backup
    Jan 22 09:08:10 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4716]: Backing up to: /Volumes/Time-Machine MBP15 Backup/Backups.backupdb
    Jan 22 09:10:55 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4716]: No pre-backup thinning needed: 3.13 GB requested (including padding), 227.49 GB available
    Jan 22 09:18:48 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4716]: Copied 28107 files (2.2 GB) from volume MBP-15.
    Jan 22 09:22:40 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4716]: No pre-backup thinning needed: 3.27 GB requested (including padding), 225.30 GB available
    Jan 22 09:32:35 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4716]: Copied 23533 files (2.3 GB) from volume MBP-15.
    Jan 22 09:35:25 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4716]: Starting post-backup thinning
    Jan 22 09:35:25 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4716]: No post-back up thinning needed: no expired backups exist
    Jan 22 09:35:26 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4716]: Backup completed successfully.
    Jan 22 10:08:09 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4840]: Starting standard backup
    Jan 22 10:08:10 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4840]: Backing up to: /Volumes/Time-Machine MBP15 Backup/Backups.backupdb
    Jan 22 10:10:51 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4840]: No pre-backup thinning needed: 3.14 GB requested (including padding), 225.18 GB available
    Jan 22 10:18:12 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4840]: Copied 28115 files (2.2 GB) from volume MBP-15.
    Jan 22 10:21:49 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4840]: No pre-backup thinning needed: 3.14 GB requested (including padding), 222.99 GB available
    Jan 22 10:29:05 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4840]: Copied 23541 files (2.2 GB) from volume MBP-15.
    Jan 22 10:32:00 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4840]: Starting post-backup thinning
    Jan 22 10:32:00 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4840]: No post-back up thinning needed: no expired backups exist
    Jan 22 10:32:01 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4840]: Backup completed successfully.
    Jan 22 11:08:09 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4963]: Starting standard backup
    Jan 22 11:08:10 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4963]: Backing up to: /Volumes/Time-Machine MBP15 Backup/Backups.backupdb
    Jan 22 11:10:53 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4963]: No pre-backup thinning needed: 3.14 GB requested (including padding), 222.82 GB available
    Jan 22 11:18:10 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4963]: Copied 28123 files (2.2 GB) from volume MBP-15.
    Jan 22 11:21:46 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4963]: No pre-backup thinning needed: 3.14 GB requested (including padding), 220.63 GB available
    Jan 22 11:30:13 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4963]: Copied 23553 files (2.2 GB) from volume MBP-15.
    Jan 22 11:33:03 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4963]: Starting post-backup thinning
    Jan 22 11:33:03 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4963]: No post-back up thinning needed: no expired backups exist
    Jan 22 11:33:04 MBP-15 com.apple.backupd[4963]: Backup completed successfully.
    Currently, having once again yesterday flattened and restarted my T-M from scratch i probably overwrote all the backups since the last time i had to do that - and as long as i don't disconnect my external backup drive it seems OK now.
    I'm a bit paranoid as i use my MBP both as my Mac, but also as my Virtual PC so i have a lot of technical and commercial data which i need to keep properly backed up.
    Is it possible when i've ejected my TM backup disck, gone travelling, and then reconnected it some days later - that i am causing a new backup to start by hitting the 'Backup Now' command on the menu bar.... should i let TM pickup by itself automaticvally without porvoking a Backup Now command ?
    Thanks in advance for any futher advice

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