Printed images...sRGB vs. iMac color profile / iPhoto vs. PSE...

Hello – I have searched the various forums available, found a wealth of information on the subject, and then became even more confused. So, here goes:
The question is in regards to color profiles on my display vs. color profiles embedded in the printed image.
I have my display set to iMac Color Profile (or should I use the sRGB Profile, which gives the display a coolor, or more bluish overall tint), and then in PSE I have sRGB embedded. When I make a print going through PSE, the colors look good and overall is a pleasant image. When I take the same image and save it into iPhoto and then print it, the overall image is slightly darker and the colors a little more saturated. Overall, another pleasant image, just slightly different.
So, I suppose my question is: what is iPhoto doing that makes the printed image a bit more saturated? How should I have my colors on the display set?
Thanks.

Printer_Rick wrote:
sRGB is Adobe's default RGB color space. It is the standard for world wide web. It is used by Pantone. In short it is the RGB profile most commonly encountered
I will re-iterate it's not my working RGB space, I don't care for it, I don't consider it ideal for CMYK conversion.
The idea that sRGB is the most common profile is a misconception.That profile was created to simulate an uncalibrated enviroment (monitor).Thats why if you use Photoshop function "Save for Web" it converts to sRGB then strips profile information.And this is only because until recently most web browsers didnt have any Color Management.I know Firefox has but the others until recently didnt (might be diferent know thought).
If its used by Pantone or not I dont know,but if it is I would like to know why and for what purpose cause it doesnt make any sense...
Its not ideal for any print (CMYK convertion) since it's very narrow gamut will most probably clip many satured colors.
The only good thing about it (besides being a grey balanced profile) is that you can be sure the person you send it too will not see many variations (shifts) in color from what youre seing on your calibrated monitor using Photoshop or any other ICC aware aplication.Thats why I always send previews of work in sRGB, because most of the time people that have to evaluate it dont even bother to open them in Photoshop,they use e-mail programs or browsers,let alone calibrated/profiled monitors.
I think the idea behind making it default is just that,being on the safe side.People that are aware of that ussually change it unless theyre working mainly for the Web.
This and much more you can find on the links about Bruce Fraser.He made great contributions to make people aware of Color Management.
Hope this helps.
Especificaly u can read this one:
http://www.creativepro.com/article/out-of-gamut-getting-a-handle-on-color-management
Images on examples are self-explanatory.

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