Printer Profiles under Color Management

We are running a copy of CS5 where the printer profiles are not showing up. We are using illustrator to send jobs to a Universal Laser system. The laser system uses the working RGB color space, but that option is not showing up under Color Management of the Print Dialog box in Illustrator. The only options we have available are the Dot Gain and b/w settings.
The Laser behaves like a normal usb printer. it came with a driver, but the driver does not include any ICC profiles since it would simply use the sRGB IEC61966-2.1.
How do i get the sRGB IEC61966-2.1 option to show up in the color management of the print dialog box in illustrator CS5?

Thank you for the reply. But this does not explain how to fix my issue.
The pull down menu under color management of the print dialog box should have a long list of availble printer profiles. Instead i'm only getting assorted Dot Gain settings, Gray Gamma, B & W and sGray ( refer to image in original post). There should be a sRGB or working RGB option associate with the selected device along with a list of other profiles.
This is preventing illustrator from sending the correct color information to my laser cutter. The cutter is dependent upon the color information in the art file. Instead, illustrator is sending b & w color data becuase of the profile selected under color management.

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I made the big leap from inexpensive inkjets to:
1 Epson 3800 Standard
2 Spyder3Studio
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I have a steep learning curve ahead, here's what I've done:
1 Read a lot of books, watched tutorials, etc.
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4 When I print the image, it looks the same as was shown in the print preview...light and washed out, which is much different than what is shown in edit mode.
5 When I open PS3 with onscreen soft-proofing, the onscreen image is light and washed out...just like displayed in PS3 preview. If I re-edit the image to look OK onscreen, and print with the profile and color management turned off, the printed image looks OK.
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1 In the back of my simplistic and naive mind, I anticipated that in creating a custom printer profile I would only need to edit a photo once, so it looks good on the calibrated screen, and then a custom printer profile will handle the work to print a good looking photo. Different profiles do different translations for different printers/papers. However, judging by the PS work, it appears I need to re-edit a photo for each printer/paper I encounter...just doesn't seem right.
2 In Aperture, I'm confused by the onscreen proofing does not present the same image as what I see in the print preview. I'm selecting the same .icc profile in both locations.
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If the operating system is colour managed through and through, how do you render a colour test chart without automatically assigning a source ICC profile for the colourant model (Generic RGB Profile for three component, Generic CMYK Profile for four component)?
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There's been a discussion on the Apple ColorSync Users List and on Adobe's fora, see the two threads below.
Hope this helps,
Henrik Holmegaard
technical writer
References:
http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?14@@.59b52c9b/0
http://lists.apple.com/archives/colorsync-users/2007/Nov/msg00143.html

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I have seen comments in this forum about problems with printing with CS4, but wasn't sure that they were going to apply to me. They do, big time.
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todls1:
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Printing, Soft Proofing, and Color Management in LR 1.2: Two Questions
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I have my printer settings set to 4x6 (sheet feeder -
borderless) and "best fit" as the orientation. I
have scale set to "fill entire page." My 4x6 prints
come out with a white border on the left and bottom.
The preview gives no indication of this problem.
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My prints are dark. If I increase the gamma setting
in the dialog box, they get better.
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