Program/Bank Changes...
Another odd one, I'm afraid.
I have a number of external synths and modules that I control from Logic Pro 8 (all patched up). Most of these respond properly to inline program/bank changes (CC0/CC32/PRnum) - but one doesn't - the WaveStation. It does respond correctly in Cubase, so I don't think there's an issue with the Audio/Midi setup. What is even odder is that if I use the bank/program change lists, the program on the WS changes straight away, so Logic must be communicating the bank/program changes at some level to the WS - it just won't do it as part of a track, with a part just having the three MIDI events in it.
Anyone got any ideas?
Hi,
Make sure you are transmitting on MIDI ch 2. This channel is usually used for changing programs, doing automation, etc...
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MIDI CC Number
MIDI CC
Purpose
MIDI CC
Description
MIDI CC
0
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1
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3
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MIDI CC
7
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MIDI CC
8
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MIDI CC
9
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MIDI CC
10
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MIDI CC
11
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MIDI CC
12
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MIDI CC
13
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MIDI CC
14
Undefined
MIDI CC
15
Undefined
MIDI CC
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MIDI CC
20 – 31
Undefined
MIDI CC
32 – 63
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MIDI CC
64
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MIDI CC
65
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68
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69
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MIDI CC
70
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MIDI CC
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MIDI CC
72
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MIDI CC
73
Sound Controller 4
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MIDI CC
74
Sound Controller 5
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MIDI CC
75
Sound Controller 6
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MIDI CC
76
Sound Controller 7
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MIDI CC
77
Sound Controller 8
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MIDI CC
78
Sound Controller 9
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MIDI CC
79
Sound Controller 10
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81
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MIDI CC
82
General Purpose
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83
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MIDI CC
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MIDI CC
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95
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96
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MIDI CC
97
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MIDI CC
98
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MIDI CC
99
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MIDI CC
100
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MIDI CC
101
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MIDI CC
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Undefined
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MIDI CC
120
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MIDI CC
121
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MIDI CC
122
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123
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124
Omni Mode Off
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MIDI CC
125
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MIDI CC
126
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MIDI CC
127
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